Quote from Arnie.d:
"It gives a very wrong message when you want to spread democracy and justice and at the same time having secret prisons and denying your prisoners the justice system you want to spread."
It is something very different. It isn't even comparible. It isn't the American justice system they are trying to spread, and even if it is, this doesn't even add up. I promise you a "secret prison" in America and a "secret prison" in Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, and so on, are very different things. The Americans don't just throw somebody into their secret prisons because somebody disagreed with the President. It is not quite as menacing as you seem to think it is, but more menacing than the Americans or Eurpeans can handle.