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Originally posted by: Trooperman


I'm also stumped about what music to use for the clonetroopers marching below (with Lama-Su and Obi-Wan observing). The Trade Federation march? The Imperial March? A new march I'm thinking might be used in Ep. I? The Imperial March is a good idea, except that I want to have some musical tie-in between Ep. I and II.

-TM


What about using this piece of music from The Sith Lords soundtrack: KOTOR March

I have it in wave formatt if you need it.

Oops weezer I didn't see your post. I guess great minds think alike. But if trroperman decides to use that I have it in Wave format.


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I have a new idea for some music for the Obi-Wan/Dooku scene.

It's also from "KOTOR." If you can rip the music from the game, then it's the segment entitled "mus_a_100."

Have it start just after Dooku mentions Qui-Gon, and everything syncs up quite well. There's even a "revelation" fanfare when Dooku speaks Darth Sidious' name. Lastly, there's a bit of a tense, militaristic moment when Dooku aks Obi-Wan to join him. The music then becomes quite and serene as Obi-Wan calmly rejects his offer.

Oh yeah, and Trooperman, Jango has two lines in his helmet, the other being, "Don't move, Jedi!"





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Um... use the Edit link in the lower right of your post.
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See, that's the problem...I don't see anything.
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I think this piece of music would work good, emotionally with the Obi, Dooku chat. It is called The Jedi Theme, and it is from KOTOR too.

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So what is wrong with the music that TM has already chosen for that moment in the scene? I found it fit perfectly and wasn't noticable as a seperate piece..
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Originally posted by: darthpreston
So what is wrong with the music that TM has already chosen for that moment in the scene? I found it fit perfectly and wasn't noticable as a seperate piece..


I did too, but I thought I would just offer up some other options.


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Trooperman, I'm diggin' the new voices! No complaints here! Man, this is gonna be a fun movie to watch!

The TF March I always liked...but play around with it...it never hurts...

Jar Jars voice: I agree with Sluggo. Not too different. A little fimiliar. But, again, it doesn't hurt to play around with it...

I was just wondering...did you end up using any pieces of the deleted scenes in this edit? I seem to recall you were going to try and use some of the family scene?

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The more I watch the Dooku/Obi-Wan clip, the more I like it. I think TM is right when he says it'll all come together in the complete scene. Good comparison to the Luke/Obi-Wan talk in ANH where the Force Theme starts up. That's what made me think of using the Qui-Gon Theme, since he's who they're talking about. But no matter, I'm not even sure if that will remain in Episode I for there to be a connection made to it.

I'll comment on the Nemoidian voices when I get a chance to download them, but it's very encouraging that you have these up for all to see!

As for the scene of Obi-Wan surveying the Clonetroopers, I would use the most alternate version of the Imperial March that you can find (nothing too different, but a littel variety is in order as the first full blown version should be saved for the end of the film). The "KOTOR March" that Weezer mentioned is a great piece of music, but for something as iconic as our first glimpse of the Stormtroopers, I think it calls for the iconic theme of the Imperial March.

And to answer your question Weezer, TM is giving the Clonetroopers intercom clicks when they speak (unless that's changed without my knowledge).
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Originally posted by: Weezer12
See, that's the problem...I don't see anything.


That's because you have to log in before you can edit a post.

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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
As for the scene of Obi-Wan surveying the Clonetroopers, I would use the most alternate version of the Imperial March that you can find (nothing too different, but a littel variety is in order as the first full blown version should be saved for the end of the film). The "KOTOR March" that Weezer mentioned is a great piece of music, but for something as iconic as our first glimpse of the Stormtroopers, I think it calls for the iconic theme of the Imperial March.


I'm writing here in response to the overall dilemma of the musical treatment for the clonetroopers. I really think the huge iconic statement of the Imperial March should be saved for ROTS when Anakin and the troops march into the Jedi Temple. "The Arena" sounds good, but really, it isn't thematically appropriate, and it doesn't do the scene justice in its emotional context. I strongly recommend saving the big IM statement for that. Now, you could use the Imperial March in SOTDS, but I think it would be better if there was original music for the clones/stormtroopers. There was the Imperial motif from ANH. It's interesting, because Williams originally composed something different for the finale where we see the troopers loading up. There is actually an Across the Stars music video or something that has the last second or two of the original piece. The Imperial March from the end is an insert, recorded (I think) at the request of Lucas. When you hear the clip, it is highly possible that Williams recorded a grand statement of the ANH Imperial Theme. It's sad, because I think that Williams was really hampered in the way of thematic continuity and connection in the PT.

Now, how you handle the music is going to have to do with how you're wanting to handle the story. Trooperman, say someone has never seen the Star Wars movies, and knows nothing about who does what or anything. Are you trying to keep the turn of the clones a surprise for ROTS? If so, then it would be highly preferable to avoid the Imperial March. You could still use something with a somewhat--or even just potentially--menacing undertone, but make it more of a grand fanfare for this army that--in the end of the movie--will end up saving the day. If you use something that is sort of on the fence like that, where you aren't sure whether they will end up good or bad--because at this point, there's still a mystery afoot, and we don't know what's going on--then that sort of tone with a balance of excitement and possible threat is there, then you're wondering until the end, and you THINK you know they're good, and BAM! That sets you up for a shock in ROTS. If you want to go that route, then the Imperial March will give it up right away. On that note, the Trade Federation march would also be bad for that approach. If not, then there is more freedom there, and if you want the Imperial March, hey, go right ahead. No problems there.

If you want to save it, then I think that KOTOR march is a great option. It's still got an exciting feel to it, but kind of teeters between benevolence and malevolence. And it would underscore that grand moment.

Food for thought.
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Very well put. The Trade Federation theme ought to be avoided also for the reason that the clones are fighting against the Trade Federation.
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I like the two themes of KOTOR - they fit in very well in the scenes where they are supposed to appear.
I also really like the new voice of Gunray. At first I thought such a replacement would be useless, but like that it really is a lot better than the original.
I'm really looking forward to the end product so keep up the good work .
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I've actually never heard the Kotor march- I'll download it and see what I think. As for the Dooku/Obi-Wan scene, I have looked at other option (like the one suggested), but found that in my opinion, the current cue brings the particular emotion that I want better than anything else I tried.

Oh yeah, and Trooperman, Jango has two lines in his helmet, the other being, "Don't move, Jedi!"

Thanks! I thought I might have missed another line.

I was just wondering...did you end up using any pieces of the deleted scenes in this edit? I seem to recall you were going to try and use some of the family scene?

Yes, I actually used a number of the deleted scenes, although they were changed just as much as other scenes in the film. The Jedi Analysis robot speaks in a different voice and has different dialogue (in order to eliminate Dex's Diner), the dinner scene is in, the bedroom scene is in (shortened and in a very different form), and the trial scene is in, again, with very different dialogue and music.

And to answer your question Weezer, TM is giving the Clonetroopers intercom clicks when they speak (unless that's changed without my knowledge).

That is correct. However, I haven't done that yet because I don't have an actor for the stormtroopers yet.


Now, how you handle the music is going to have to do with how you're wanting to handle the story. Trooperman, say someone has never seen the Star Wars movies, and knows nothing about who does what or anything. Are you trying to keep the turn of the clones a surprise for ROTS? If so, then it would be highly preferable to avoid the Imperial March. You could still use something with a somewhat--or even just potentially--menacing undertone, but make it more of a grand fanfare for this army that--in the end of the movie--will end up saving the day. If you use something that is sort of on the fence like that, where you aren't sure whether they will end up good or bad--because at this point, there's still a mystery afoot, and we don't know what's going on--then that sort of tone with a balance of excitement and possible threat is there, then you're wondering until the end, and you THINK you know they're good, and BAM! That sets you up for a shock in ROTS. If you want to go that route, then the Imperial March will give it up right away. On that note, the Trade Federation march would also be bad for that approach. If not, then there is more freedom there, and if you want the Imperial March, hey, go right ahead. No problems there.


Good point. I'm not exactly sure what my big picture plan is (after all, who has not seen Ep. II that is going to see a copy of this first? Realistically...) However, after thinking about it, I do want the Imperial March reveal to be at either the end of the film or in the next film. Not during that particular scene. It's also worth mentioning that there are no longer any little quotes of Vader's theme in relation to Anakin, in this film.

I also really like the new voice of Gunray. At first I thought such a replacement would be useless, but like that it really is a lot better than the original.

Thanks!


Oh, as far as Nute's voice goes, I like it so far. In the cantina of the original Star Wars, all the cantina creatures sounded they were talking from the bottom of a bucket. Could a little underlying base or echo be added to Nute?

Yes. Actually, I experimented with some things, and what really did the trick was actually lowering the pitch of his voice a bit, combined with a boost in the bass. Much, much better (not to say the original was bad).

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Regarding Jar-Jar, nobody seemed to like this idea, but I still think that if possible, Jar-Jar deserves to speak in English. He's such a main character in Ep. I; it doesn't seem professional in SW for such a main character to be subtitled so much. Imagine if C3PO was subtitled in Star Wars, for the entire film. My concept was for Jar-Jar to speak in an English/Australian accent, very light and without any aforementioned squealing and yelping. I know this is a lousy example, but imagine the frog in the Geico commercial.

However, I'd be happy with anything better than what we've got, really. And I agree that Jar-Jar should definitely not have a low voice.



Also, I have some bad news to bring you. Jeff Vitkuske, who was going to dub Uncle Owen, backed out of the project yesterday. He "couldn't get into it", apparently. Anyway, I'm stuck (and this is such a great scene, too).

If ANY of you sound remotely like PHIL BROWN, PM me immediately It's just one scene, and a funny one at that. I need this dub in order to cut the video.

I'm of course also looking for an actor to do the stormtroopers. I'm about to make a request in the General SW forum for that.

And I believe that hairy_hen is working on his part. Hopefully everything will come together

-TM

EDIT: I like the Kotor march! I'd love an uncompressed version...

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Ooooh, the library robots deleted scene sounds interesting.
So what, are they just going to identify the dart after all so Obi-Wan doesn't have to go to the Diner, just straight to the library?

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Trooperman I have the KOTOR March in Wave format. I will upload it in second.

P.S. I have much more KOTOR music. There is one called "kreia_dark" which is a highly creepy piece of music, also there is a bunch of great Sith music, and a few Jedi type themed music. I could upload what I have in a rar file if you want to check out some of the other music from KOTOR.


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That would be great Thanks so much.

And yes, the analysis robot identifies the dart, but it doesn't have much info, leading Obi-Wan to the library.

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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman, here is the KOTOR Soundtrack in Wave format: KOTOR Soundtrack

One or two of the files was lower quality than I thought, but the rest are fine.


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Thank you so much, Marvolo. I'll download them the second I get to a high-speed connection

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Yes, I actually used a number of the deleted scenes, although they were changed just as much as other scenes in the film. The Jedi Analysis robot speaks in a different voice and has different dialogue (in order to eliminate Dex's Diner), the dinner scene is in, the bedroom scene is in (shortened and in a very different form), and the trial scene is in, again, with very different dialogue and music.
I was going to ask you if you'd had any success in making the analysis droid station into more of a Hal 9000 type interface? I know you had mentioned this before and I thought it was a great idea, but it's certainly wouldn't be easy. Hopefully something can be done about it though, because the droids are so visually distracting.

However, after thinking about it, I do want the Imperial March reveal to be at either the end of the film or in the next film. Not during that particular scene.
If this is your decision then I'd encourage you to use the KotR March for the Clonetrooper introduction and try to use similar KotR music for them throughout the film if you could. And the finale music is (IMO) the second best in the saga after ESB's, so I'd definitely keep the Imperial March in there as its big reveal.

It's also worth mentioning that there are no longer any little quotes of Vader's theme in relation to Anakin, in this film.

Good call. This really gets confusing considering the piece is titled "The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)."

Regarding Jar-Jar, nobody seemed to like this idea, but I still think that if possible, Jar-Jar deserves to speak in English. He's such a main character in Ep. I; it doesn't seem professional in SW for such a main character to be subtitled so much. Imagine if C3PO was subtitled in Star Wars, for the entire film.

I see your point; it's a lot of subtitles to take in in Episode I, but lip sync becomes a problem when you limit yourself to english, as you've experienced first hand in re-dubbing Anakin. For the betterment of the Gungans as a whole, they should have their own language.
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I'm not exactly sure what my big picture plan is (after all, who has not seen Ep. II that is going to see a copy of this first? Realistically...)

True enough. I guess what I was trying to get across was more of the style of approach: doing this like it's the first time coming out and no one knows what's going to happen. Not necessarily that they don't, but do it like they don't. Now, this may not be the way you want to do it, and that's fine, but if you do, then that would allow for creative touches like keeping the stormtroopers a surprise that would be really nice. I've already heard talk (either here or at Starkiller Ranch, I'm not sure) of people thinking Anakin becoming Vader should be edited so that it's still a surprise in ESB. It would be along those lines. I personally think those things would be a nice touch. At the same time, it depends on how you're handling it--like this is the first trilogy that came out, or like this came out afterwards, and you already know everything and want the coolness of seeing stuff happening and KNOWING that it's happening. Both approaches have their benefits. It's your edit. I'm just throwing out ideas.

However, after thinking about it, I do want the Imperial March reveal to be at either the end of the film or in the next film. Not during that particular scene.

Yeah, I think that's the way to go. If there were bigger statements of the Imperial Theme from ANH, I would recommend that for the end of AOTC, and then finally you get Imperial March in ROTS during the temple march. Unfortunately we don't, and we also don't have access to the original "orchestral blowout" finale (as one of the LSO players referred to it), which I think would be the best thing to use. The way I understand it, JW was wanting to keep the big Imperial March statement for ROTS, but Lucas wanted it at the end of AOTC, so that's what happened. It's unfortunate. It would've been nice if Williams had been able to do more in how the thematic material was setup and everthing, because I think he really wanted to, judging by the unused material that's out there. But I digress.

And I agree, CC, that it is great music. I would prefer the original piece, but unless you're going to change the pitch on the KOTOR march and use that again, then there aren't really many options.
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