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Goddamnit, they've deleted the Recobbled Cut from the wiki again. People, put it back when they do that.
Goddamnit, they've deleted the Recobbled Cut from the wiki again. People, put it back when they do that.
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released) — Page 52
Goddamnit, they've deleted the Recobbled Cut from the wiki again. People, put it back when they do that.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie Goddamnit, they've deleted the Recobbled Cut from the wiki again. People, put it back when they do that.
This is the guy that keeps deleting it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FuriousFreddy
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However, he did have a reason for deleting that stuff that I'm a bit worried about:
"I did non-substantial cleanup on the restoration section, removing specific mentions of individuals who have made "fan restorations" of the film (great way to get the MPAA on somebody's trail)"
Is that something worth being concerned about?
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I haven't recieved a reply from the HTF poster yet about this "collector's edition." Wouldn't it be funny if they decided to rip the RC DVD and sell it themselves?
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/dvd.html?v_id=135001&dv_id=99130
Just check the street date...
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Interesting. I'm hoping for a better cover at least, but a widescreen version would be nice in R1. They can just rip the Japanese version.
Perhaps capitalizing on the recent internet publicity surrounding the film (cough).
Yeah, I had a look and found out all about Furious Freddy.
I'm not worried in the least about the MPAA or Disney, but again I'll have more to say on that later presumably. I'm kinda waiting for some more info on things.
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Here's my question: link
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And of course we've had absolutely no trouble from Disney.
Wikipedia pisses me off.
As for the music in the trailer, it's from Scheherezade, which is used a little bit in the workprint (though not in those scenes) and more heavily in my Recobbled Cut. I used the same music in my trailer, and was surprised when I saw the Warners one. But it's music that Richard tended to use for The Thief material. It wouldn't have fit in those scenes though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aO4Oy6AoSs
Carmina Burana is also used in the trailer, which is a bit frightening.
Oh, on a shamelessly personal note I just put out an old comedy called Ghostbusted 3. Shot 3 years ago at a film festival. See it at the usual place, FFrevolution.com/InvisionBoard.
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Hey, who wants to read the script to The Majestic Fool?
http://orangecow.org/thief/themajesticfoolscreenplay.txt
This strange 1969 script starred Mullah Nasrudin - this is the script that eventually evolved into the Thief and the Cobbler. Although almost unrecognizable from what it later became, you'll recognize elements including a lot of sight gags with The Thief, and many supporting characters.
This was OCR-scanned from a copy. Thus, the automatic text-recognizing system made a lot of mistakes. I've cleaned up the first third or so of the script, ending at the cave lair scene with Anwar and the vulture. The rest may be harder to read.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Sort of brought the first post up to date. I always find that weird, when the first post is up to date and then followed by the very early posts of a project. The first post is a hodgepodge now of early stuff and newer info.
Hey, who wants to read the script to The Majestic Fool?
http://orangecow.org/thief/themajesticfoolscreenplay.txt
This strange 1969 script starred Mullah Nasrudin - this is the script that eventually evolved into the Thief and the Cobbler. Although almost unrecognizable from what it later became, you'll recognize elements including a lot of sight gags with The Thief, and many supporting characters.
This was OCR-scanned from a copy. Thus, the automatic text-recognizing system made a lot of mistakes. I've cleaned up the first third or so of the script, ending at the cave lair scene with Anwar and the vulture. The rest may be harder to read.
Sort of brought the first post up to date. I always find that weird, when the first post is up to date and then followed by the very early posts of a project. The first post is a hodgepodge now of early stuff and newer info.
Hey, who wants to read the script to The Majestic Fool?
http://orangecow.org/thief/themajesticfoolscreenplay.txt
This strange 1969 script starred Mullah Nasrudin - this is the script that eventually evolved into the Thief and the Cobbler. Although almost unrecognizable from what it later became, you'll recognize elements including a lot of sight gags with The Thief, and many supporting characters.
This was OCR-scanned from a copy. Thus, the automatic text-recognizing system made a lot of mistakes. I've cleaned up the first third or so of the script, ending at the cave lair scene with Anwar and the vulture. The rest may be harder to read.
Thanks for that! By the way, I just want to remind a few here it's my birthday today!
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By the way, I'll go ahead and mention that I have something really cool in the works. I was finally accepted into a film production course, which means I'm getting the chance to make some shorts with other peers. The first short we're working on is a chase sequence. How does this apply to "Thief" you ask? I'm going to try out the "hidden cut zoom" technique in live-action (you know, how RW made a zoom shot look continuous but it's really two shots spliced together), as well as putting in two brief homages.
I'll put it on youtube when it's completed. "Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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Very strange original punchline to it. Note that the witch doesn't blow herself up either.
So, only something like two Williams-animated changes from the original then. We do see the witch pull Tack to the ground, which would have been reanimated from a shot of her pulling herself up onto the Beast, and we see her blow herself up (and meet the Thief).
The rest only filled in by Calvert really.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Yes, the witch scene was clearly animated (and presumably finished, apart from probably Nura/Meemee's part) as we see it there, and then reworked mostly in editing to include Tack/Yumyum instead.
Very strange original punchline to it. Note that the witch doesn't blow herself up either.
So, only something like two Williams-animated changes from the original then. We do see the witch pull Tack to the ground, which would have been reanimated from a shot of her pulling herself up onto the Beast, and we see her blow herself up (and meet the Thief).
The rest only filled in by Calvert really.
Yes, the witch scene was clearly animated (and presumably finished, apart from probably Nura/Meemee's part) as we see it there, and then reworked mostly in editing to include Tack/Yumyum instead.
Very strange original punchline to it. Note that the witch doesn't blow herself up either.
So, only something like two Williams-animated changes from the original then. We do see the witch pull Tack to the ground, which would have been reanimated from a shot of her pulling herself up onto the Beast, and we see her blow herself up (and meet the Thief).
The rest only filled in by Calvert really.
It was interesting to find out why the emerald scene has more footage (as seen in the Princess credits). It also explains why the Thief looks like such an old design while the bordering scenes have him revised. I wonder if Williams intended to re-do that scene to make it match the Thief in the rest of the film. It's not too obvious, but what gives the age away is the stiffness of the pan when the Thief dumps out all his stolen goods. All the other pans and tilts are much smoother.
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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Patrick and I have often discussed Jake
Eberts' role in the whole debacle. Consider:
-He was executive producer of both the WB and Calvert versions, sold
the
film to Miramax, and actually commended Miramax on what they did to the
film;
-He was the one who complained that there was too much Thief, that Tack
and
the Thief didn't talk, that there wasn't enough Tack and Yum-Yum stuff;
-He was also the one responsible for the gang-rape of The Magic
Roundabout
for the "Doogal" U.S. release, as Patrick tells me.
Also, some things Patrick and I sort of have inferred, assumed,
postulated, hypothesized (none of it is proven; some of it might not
even be
rumored):
-I formulated a hypothesis that it was Jake Eberts who wanted songs,
which
is why Williams wrote songs and stuff into the workprint;
-Patrick told me that WB actually liked what was coming out of
Williams'
studio, meaning that someone would have had to talk WB into dropping
the
film. I wouldn't be surprised if it were Jake Eberts.
-Apparently, someone was dissatisfied with the workprint Williams
delivered.
If WB was enthusiastic about the film (though maybe a little frustrated
at
the slow speed at which it was coming out), could it have been Eberts
who
wasn't? Think about it; it didn't have the songs or any of the stuff
that
someone (Eberts?) wanted Williams to add; if it were Eberts, could
Eberts
have basically "thrown a tantrum" because they were obviously so far
ahead
into production that the chances of them shoehorning his ideas in would
have
been next to nil?
-I speculated that Eberts had an idea of what he wanted when he
approached
Williams, so him trying to push his demands on Williams wouldn't be out
of
the question.
-Eberts would have had a reason to facilitate Williams being thrown
off,
because only without Williams would he have gotten all the stuff he
wanted,
and did get in the Calvert version.
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While I'm at it ...
If anyone from Disney is reading this right now, and even if you're not ... pretty much all the animators I've spoken to seem to have saved their pencil test reels from the film. Often in U-Matic or some other weird format. I've only managed to actually view the tests of one animator and one layout man, and those tests were wonderfully fascinating, as anyone who's seen them will attest, even containing deleted footage. So. Extras galore if anyone wants to really dig 'em up.
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"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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My current opinion is that Fred Calvert probably doesn't have any major materials from this film.
Tell the truth I've been lax about contacting certain people of late, partly because I contacted certain other people, who I guess I'd like to hear from first.
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The info about the pencil tests is really interesting Garret, but if you want somebody from Disney to see it perhaps you should update your first post or something... although there are tons of people reading this thread, I think that that important piece of information may get lost in the 65+ page count if you just leave it there - I'd imagine that a lot of people don't have the patience to read the whole thread and will just go to the last page.
P.S. You've probably seen this, but you were posted about in The Blog of Kells a while ago (a production blog for "The Book of Kells", an upcoming European animated film that has a really interesting 2-D/medieval artstyle) - http://theblogofkells.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_theblogofkells_archive.html
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Here's a bit of Ebayness.
http://cgi.ebay.com/FUNNYWORLD-19-Frank-Frazetta-Animated-RICHARD-WILLIAMS_W0QQitemZ230022341538QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3967QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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He talked with Dick last week, who has heard about your dvd from several sources by now. It is a chapter he has closed and he doesnt seem interested in anything further with the movie.
Oh well. Doesn't mean the work doesn't continue. If not Richard then someone's got to do it.