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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released) — Page 51
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Originally posted by: DaveHolmes
ocpmovie - have you seen this site before?
http://www.dougiekirk.com/Animation-Thief-Cobbler-1.html
His resume says he worked on the film from Nov 1990-May 1992.
ocpmovie - have you seen this site before?
http://www.dougiekirk.com/Animation-Thief-Cobbler-1.html
His resume says he worked on the film from Nov 1990-May 1992.
fyi, the first background is for the wide shot of Zig-Zag walking up to Mighty One-Eye (right after the bravura pullback)
The last one is for the shot of the the balls being raised along with the One-Eyes flag.
I was able to overlay the frames from the workprint and they fit almost exactly... except that the background images are flipped backwards.
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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http://www.dougiekirk.com/Animation/The-Thief/massacre-field-large.jpg
I also stumbled across Raul Garcia's website and he has a small scan of an Art Babbitt drawing from the film -
http://www.hometown.aol.com/raulgarci/myhomepage/otherstudios1.htm
I cleaned it up a bit so the lines are clearer:
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Almost...too quiet.
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I've just decided to keep quiet about some things as there's nothing concrete to report yet ..... this month .... Big things are in the works and I'll explain about that when I have more to explain.
The Nasruddin script is in the mail and should arrive .... sometime.
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It is the strangest thing I've ever read.
It's just bizarre ... nonsense. It's clear that the film The Thief and the Cobbler became ten thousand times better by doing away with all the dialogue, because the dialogue is ......... nonsense. Repetitive nonsense. It all feels like a lot of inane shouting.
I'm surprised by how many little things from the Thief film are in here. Many of the little bits of business the Thief does are in the script ....
You'll be surprised by the original ending to the witch scene. I was.
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The character of Zigzag did come from the Anwar character, but he also seems to have taken on elements of "Parata" and "Zappo the Great", two other characters in the script.
Very interesting stuff. I'll try to scan it when I can.
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We can of course insert the whole bread scene in its proper place.
I think that would make for another great supplemental DVD.
But who would do the voicework...
Hire someone? Do it ourselves?
Either way - just a thought.
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You get the idea from reading it. More than get the idea. You'll see.
We don't actually have artwork depicting much of what happens in the film, or many of its characters. Some of the things happen in the film, but happen to different characters than in The Majestic Fool .... so reading is sure to jog your memory better than any attempt at reconstruction would.
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Storyboard artist Douglas Kirk wants to do a presentation on the Thief at the school where he teaches ... with me along for support. Should be fun if it happens.
Waiting to hear from ... certain people.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Waiting to hear from ... certain people.
Waiting to hear from ... certain people.
I'm breathless with anticipation!
Hi again all, I'm back from a two-week break. I'll get straight onto my friend with the scanner and see whether he can help with getting that poster scanned. Thanks for the email ocp, glad you like what I sent.
I found the Marx Bros clip very interesting indeed. I really admire that particular piece of animation in T&C.
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The Mk II edit looks great, ocp! There's a lot more quality stuff to see in there. Am I right in saying that even the Brigands scene got spruced up? It seemed clearer to me. Seems like a much better audio mix too. There were some rather loud peaks in the original that have been brought down a bit, like the witch shrieking as she swings on the rope.
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Originally posted by: macronencer
Quick update on the poster: I have found someone who can scan it in A3-sized sections for stitching together.
Quick update on the poster: I have found someone who can scan it in A3-sized sections for stitching together.
What do you mean by "stitching together"?
Just scan the logo in as few images as possible and then, if it's more than one, we can edit them together digitally.
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>> The Mk II edit looks great, ocp! There's a lot more quality stuff to see in there. Am I right in saying that even the Brigands scene got spruced up? It seemed clearer to me. Seems like a much better audio mix too. There were some rather loud peaks in the original that have been brought down a bit, like the witch shrieking as she swings on the rope.
Glad you like it! I didn't change the brigands scene or anything in the sound mix anywhere. Funny what the imagination can do. =) I just changed the witch scene and war machine scene (visually), and 3 shots elsewhere.
ADDENDUM - I'll scan the Majestic Fool script when I can. Sorry for the lack of updates - I've been busy editing the Doctor Who Ten Doctors trailer and now editing Ghostbusted 3, a movie I shot way back in 2003. There will be news ....
Mark Smith has been scouring Ebay and bought two pressbooks for The Thief Who Never Gave Up and The Thief and the Cobbler. He sent me a mockup DVD cover using art from them and though that was lacking, the art he used was quite intriguing. I've asked for scans of the pressbooks themselves.
Noteable are some slightly lame line art versions of characters from the film, and a scan of the Thief and the Cobbler logo with the Thief coming out of the O, that we've seen many places but never gotten a good scan of!
UPDATE ... from Patrick McCart -
> By the way, I found out that the R2 PAL BFI release
> of Charge of the Light
> Brigade has a 15 minute interview with Richard
> Williams.
Can we get this?
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At the beginning of the month I fulfilled a large rush order for Douglas Kirk's classes, giving him stacks of the things, and I ran out of Thief discs that needed to be mailed out - I was also broke and out of DVDs.
So I ordered some blank DVDs nearly three weeks ago so I could make more Thief DVDs, but Fedex only tried to deliver them ONCE, and they were returned to the sender. So I never got them. Grrr. I'm out of Thief DVDs. And rent is due, and I am broke.
Oh well.
Sorry for the lateness folks. No fault of my own here. I'll be on it like a comet the second these long-delayed blank discs arrive.
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I've watched "I Drew Roger Rabbit" twice this week. Every time they show Richard in the vault with The Thief, the hairs stand up on my skin. He was (and still is) such a respected and admired figure in the industry. I know business is business, but how could they? How could they take his masterpiece from him and carve it up like that? It's a tragedy. A great, great tragedy.
In my dreams, he's secretly finishing it and plans to release it next year using his own money...
Oh by the way, I LOVE "Seaside Woman". It's absolutely delightful - never seen it before!
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I was browsing Google Image Search for "Art Babbit" and this came up: http://www.tonywhite.net/art.htm
Stange, but it shows Art's self portrait as Tack. Maybe you've seen it before.
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"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"
- from The Bank Dick
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So I take the DVD out, and put it into the DVD drive again to see if maybe it actually WAS copied over, to see if the computer can read it. Suddenly, my computer crashes - total black screen, and I try to restart it and no windows safe mode works. The BIOS doesn't recognise the harddrive.
It took some difficult recovery efforts, but I got most of my files from my old harddrive back (I'm using a new computer now). So I'm wondering if what happened to me has happened to anyone else, and what could have caused it. Was it cause for suspicion that the Thief file was just a little too big for the DVD - could there have been a virus embedded into it somehow? Is it possible to do this with torrents, that someone along the line could change the file? Or perhaps it was related to me putting in that DVD somehow, or downloading a bad copy of DVDShrink. I don't know.
Basically, I'd like to know if anyone has any idea what could've happened, and if you've heard of anything like this before.
Aside from that, I'm really excited at the progress that's been made since I left... I've been following this project closely for a while now, and have been involved over on wikipedia a bit (though it seems that there's someone there who is opposed to making any specific mention of this restoration). However, I think that next time I will order a DVD directly from Garret Gilchrist instead of trying to download the thing... less risky - I'm not very keen on having a repeat of what happened.
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I don't know about a rerelease from the Weinstein Company, but it could always be a widescreen version of the Miramax cut which would be nice to have in R1. Who knows .... I'll get better information on this if nothing else turns up.
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Anyway... is there an article/interview anywhere where Don Hahn specifically states that he has plans to work on the Thief? Might be a good thing to add to the wiki article...