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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper


This may sound crazy, but I believe there are some shots of stuff in the desert blowing up in Mr & Mrs Smith.


But isn't that in black and white? Correct me if I'm wrong...


The Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie movie? It's not in B&W, but some desert scenes may be viewed through green-tinted binoculars.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper


The Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie movie? It's not in B&W, but some desert scenes may be viewed through green-tinted binoculars.


Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking Hitchcock! Had I done a little research, I would've realized there was a remake.

Originally posted by: musicman
Independence Day might have a shot you could use. There's lots of footage in the desert in that movie, and a lot of explosions. There's bound to be something!


Thanks for the suggestion!

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I've spent several days on this clone war sequence, and I cut it many different ways before I was happy with it. Now, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's spectacular, even without all of the sound FX. There's a driving force with the music, and a feeling of wonder at what's happening along with it, whereas in the original cut it came off as extremely unmemorable and unimportant. You'll see what I mean when you see this version; I have put the magic back into Star Wars.

As a sidenote, do you think it's a good idea to put the Darth Vader breathing sound at the end of the film (like in the original release of TPM)? I was planning on doing this.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I'm curious, does it have to be a dessert shot, or could you not just find a matte rendered explosion and composite into existing AOTC footage?
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Hey Trooperman, I just had a really random thought.

Is it possible that you could add a cool, alien-sounding "filter" effect to Obi-Wan's voice as he hangs in the stasis cell on Geonosis? I always figured that since he was behind some sort of energy containment chamber, his voice would sound as if it were, too. The best idea I can think of for this would be how Mystique sounds in the X-Men films, maybe even more pronounced than that.

What do you think?
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Another vote for the Vader breathing.

I know I haven't been posting much, but I've been following this thread very closely and with much interest. Every new post from TM makes me all the more excited to see the final cut of SotDS.
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Trooperman, has anyone suggested Jarhead? That film has some desert stuff.
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Originally posted by: Weezer12
Hey Trooperman, I just had a really random thought.

Is it possible that you could add a cool, alien-sounding "filter" effect to Obi-Wan's voice as he hangs in the stasis cell on Geonosis? I always figured that since he was behind some sort of energy containment chamber, his voice would sound as if it were, too. The best idea I can think of for this would be how Mystique sounds in the X-Men films, maybe even more pronounced than that.

What do you think?


That's a really good idea conceptually. However, I wouldn't want it to interfere with the acting (oddly enough, this is a really good scene now, with the right music cue). I'll have to think about it- thanks though!

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An urgent request- would anyone who owns "Man with the Golden Gun" mind ripping audio of Chris Lee saying, "Forget the girl, she's replaceable." ? I've just realized this line is critical to the editing. Thanks a lot!


By the way, I'm very happy because I've just discovered (after a lot of trial-and-error) the font used for the ending credits in Star Wars. It's literally the exact same font. Screenshots to follow....

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman, what music are you using in the Obi-Wan/Dooku scene? The scene always seemed to work for me with no music, so I'm interested in hearing what you've chosen.

BTW, glad you liked the idea. I can see why you don't want to use it, but again, it's just an idea.
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Maybe you could use a compromise. Have Obi-wan's voice turn on and off when Dooku wants to talk to him. It would keep prisioners from calling from help.
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Originally posted by: Trooperman

By the way, I'm very happy because I've just discovered (after a lot of trial-and-error) the font used for the ending credits in Star Wars. It's literally the exact same font. Screenshots to follow....

-TM


What font is it?

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1113/userbar381851ln2.gif
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8653/userbar381853dp6.gif
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I'm just sort of thinking out load but what if for the "A Long Time Ago....." you changed it to the original version from the lost cut of STAR WARS.
I think it would be really cool if you have it say "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, and incredible adventure took place..."

Also one other thinking aloud kind of thing. Is ther anyway to write somthing somewhat poetic and have it before the "A Long...." and have it be from The Journal Of the Wills?
Maybe something like "During the time of the Clone Wars the chosen one was being tempted but the Dark Side". But something far more poetic.
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Hello folks!

Originally posted by: Darth Richard
will the screenshots be soon

OK, after a little more comparison, I take it back. This font is not exactly the one used. It's ITC Franklin Condensed Medium, modified slightly. I can tell because the thickness of the letters is a bit different. But it's so close that it looks virtually the same if you don't have both fonts on the same card. As an experiment, I did this. The top credit was always there, and the bottom one is new: link

As you can see, "GEORGE LUCAS" looks different from credit to credit. What this means is that I'll probably just redo the card completely using the blank starfield plate. Here's an example of that technique: link

Anyway, this is good news because it means that all of you contributors will not simply be tacked onto the end of the movie- you will actually be physically in the credits, replacing names like "Rick McCallum" and "Eli Sleazabaggano".

Originally posted by: Weezer12
Trooperman, what music are you using in the Obi-Wan/Dooku scene? The scene always seemed to work for me with no music, so I'm interested in hearing what you've chosen.


It's easiest just to post a clip comparison:

Clip from SOTDS
Corresponding clip from AOTC

As you can see, music greatly enhances the scene in this case. I understand the importance of spotting, of course, and that you shouldn't just add music to everything, but music came into this scene anyway- a little later on. This music has a purpose- to bring home the fact that Qui-Gon is still a sensitive topic for Obi-Wan, even 10 years later.

You'll also notice some minor dialogue alterations and close-ups. Notice that with the improved cutting and music, McGregor and Chris Lee actually come off as good actors. When you watch the clip from AOTC, you get the opposite impression.

Originally posted by: Sluggo
Maybe you could use a compromise. Have Obi-wan's voice turn on and off when Dooku wants to talk to him. It would keep prisioners from calling from help.


That's an idea. I'm not exactly sure how I would implement that, though.


Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I'm just sort of thinking out load but what if for the "A Long Time Ago....." you changed it to the original version from the lost cut of STAR WARS.
I think it would be really cool if you have it say "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, and incredible adventure took place..."

Also one other thinking aloud kind of thing. Is ther anyway to write somthing somewhat poetic and have it before the "A Long...." and have it be from The Journal Of the Wills?
Maybe something like "During the time of the Clone Wars the chosen one was being tempted but the Dark Side". But something far more poetic.


That's a really good concept- for a saga edit. Recall that my original intent was to make a PT that worked with the original Star Wars trilogy, without having to alter the latter. That's why I was using the original title card in the original font.

If I can figure out seamless branching in time for this release, then this may be a possibility, though. Remember that I'm a newcomer to DVD authoring.

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After thinking about it for a long while (and trying different things), I've finally figured out the physical way that Dooku is going to knock Anakin out of the picture. Anakin will run at him, and Dooku will use the force to throw a heavy object at Anakin, knocking him down. The shot of the object coming directly towards camera was taken from the Yoda combat sequence, and I've cropped Yoda out.

Then, there's an exchange:

Dooku: As you can see, my powers are far beyond yours.
Kenobi: I don't think so.
Dooku ignites a RED saber (revelation to audience).

Dooku: Let me show you.
Music builds, cut to the clone war going on outside.


The problem I'm still having now is this- how can Anakin's run at Dooku be somewhat justified? In this movie, Anakin is considerably smarter than his counterpart in AOTC. How does this work?

Is he angry at Dooku for having hurt Padme? That might not work too well because it's not really a direct connection. But here's a sample exchange:

Dooku turns around as Jedi enter room.
Anakin: I hope you know I'm about to slash you into ribbons for trying to kill Padme.
Dooku: Come, come. You enjoy killing as much as I do- admit it.
Anakin: No!

Anakin rushes Dooku, Dooku makes the gestures, and the object flies towards camera. A loud "thump" and Anakin's cry is heard off-camera as Dooku smirks. Cut to Anakin lying on the ground.

Another possible line for Dooku (to be fit in somewhere if called for) is, "Oh, but I forgot that the Jedi don't consider it sporting to kill in cold blood, do they?"


My question to all of you is: can any of you think of a better line for Anakin? Even if it sounds dumb to you, post it anyway; my mind can be set off in strange ways.

Again, I'm sure you're all wondering why this is taking so much time, when other fan edits are whipped out in a matter of weeks. And what it comes down to is the sheer amount of new stuff that has to be integrated, combined with the level of quality that I want to achieve. For instance, I was just watching a couple of other edits and noticed some very distracting flaws. When a shot was recolored, the color would change a few frames before the shot actually changed (in Nichol's edit). This is actually the glitch that I was describing earlier that I needed to fix. In MagnoliaFan's edit, the film actually changes aspect ratio several times. It's a shame because these things bring down otherwise good edits.

But absolutely nothing is going to get past me on this before I release it to the public. I set rather strict standards as to what I will release. It's rather disheartening, actually, knowing everything that's going on regarding HD-DVD. I don't want this to become obsolete. But as I've said, I may have a way to create an HD copy of SOTDS without any additional work, simply through file substitution.

Then again, an HD SOTDS would require not only an HD Attack of the Clones, but an HD "Blade Runner", an HD "Truman Show", an HD "Citizen Kane", an HD "Dune", and so forth.

I'm rambling again! I have one more Clone Wars screenshot comparison:

AOTC
SOTDS

I was actually able to salvage a lot more of the Clone War footage than I thought through different cropping techniques. There were a few shots that I refused to use, but a lot of them (like this) actually worked out. Notice how the droids are desaturated and blended with their surroundings, but the yellow sky is still retained.

-TM

P.S. Please consider the dilemma with Anakin's run at Dooku and make suggestions


EDIT: Is it true that over 5000 people have visited this thread? That's a scary thought. Or is it just the same people over and over again?

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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TM, that is a fantastic edit of that sequence, it truly does add more "mystique" to the scene than was there before. The correct cuts and close ups are very interesting as well.

As far as a line for anakin, I would with something that almost comes off as threatening such as :

"You will feel the power of my blade"

"I'm afraid you'll lose your head for this"

Something that shocks the audience into wondering why anakin is getting out of control with this discipline. And it can be "Vader-esque" at the same time. Not to sure about the "slice to ribbons" line........kind of reminds me of "my powers have DOUBLED since the last time we met, Count".........which was a line that had a bad beat to me. But great job, i'm one of your earliest and most eager fans.
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How's this?


I’m afraid I don’t take kindly to people that try to kill my friends, Count- particularly Padme.
Pause.
I chop their heads off.


i'm one of your earliest and most eager fans.

I know! You're already in the credits

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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not too bad......I think we're getting somewhere. Perhaps not as literate as "I cut heads off". Anakin is not very well known as a decapitator just yet.

"You will become one with the force, this day"

"For the attempt on her life, you will lose your own"

"You slaughter your own kind, for this we will extinguish your force"

Something a little more "movie classic". Like Vaders dialouge in ANH when confronting Obi-wan. "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master"...........THAT is a classic line from that scene. This edit is like chocolate and peanut butter.
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Anakin: Your attempt on Padme’s life will not go unpunished today. It is the last mistake you’ll ever make.
Dooku: Come, come. You enjoy killing as much as I do- admit it.
Anakin: No!

An alternate could be…

Anakin: In your case- YES!

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Just to recap, the reason I keep including “Padme” in Anakin’s line is that this is the one thing he cares about. And he’s very angry right now and wanting to avenge whatever harm she’s suffered by attacking the man responsible. So a line like, "You slaughter your own kind, for this we will extinguish your force" doesn’t really convey the anger that I’d like. The anger has to be present for Anakin’s charge to make any sense.

What went wrong in the original cut is just that- Anakin giving a kind of nonchalant, unemotional reading, and then suddenly charging for no reason.

But I understand that you’d like the Darth Vader elegance present as well, which I’m definitely considering.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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How about:

Anakin: Padme's dead because of you. (as far as he knows, Padme IS dead).
Dooku: Come, Come. The girl is replaceable. (TM, don't you have this line?).
Anakin attacks, making some kind of attack yell.

I don't know if Anakin should state that Dooku directly made an attempt on Padme's life, because that's not the case. With the line I've suggested, the exact action is unclear, but the connection is there.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Hmmm, I see what your saying TM. I agree that there needs to be more of a personal slant on the line. Although Eric, I'm not sure the acting from hayden really depicts his character as having just realized he lost his one thing going in his life at the time. If he really thought she was dead, there wouldn't be the mild aggression that he shows in the movie, but pure rage. Maybe? maybe not?
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You could have Ankian say,

Anikan: Padme has died because of you! Now, prepare to meet your destiny!

Anikan then charges Dooku. I like this because it is a direct Vader quote and this doesn't give Dooku a chance to respond because Anikan charges right after saying this, and it makes Dooku look quicker in his reflexes.


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I actually like that line, Erik. It’s simple and to the point.

But I actually don’t have that line at this time. When I borrowed “Man with the Golden Gun”, I forgot to rip that line, as fate would have it. If there is no prominent background music in the film at that time, then I’d really like to use the line.

Again, I’d love it if some kind person with “Golden Gun” could rip that line (“Forget the girl; she’s replaceable”). I have all of the other useful Chris Lee lines from that movie- I just need that one. I could try and borrow the film again, but that takes time.

This help would be very much appreciated!

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How's this:

Anakin: Padme is probably dead right now, because of you. Any last words?
Dooku: Come, come. The girl is replaceable.
Anakin: I'm about to take your head off.
Dooku: You get as much fulfillment out of killing as I do!
Anakin charges.

Obi-Wan: Anakin! No!


It's hard to write the scene without knowing what tone of voice Lee uses for "The girl is replaceable."


If he really thought she was dead, there wouldn't be the mild aggression that he shows in the movie, but pure rage.

That's what the new ADR could be used for. Besides, I don't think he really thinks she's dead, but in case she is, Dooku must die a painful death. It's the thought that counts, anyway. The thing is, we have to establish that Dooku's general smug attitude makes Anakin run at him more quickly than he would have otherwise.

EDIT: I love the line, "Prepare to meet your destiny," Marvolo.

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Thanks. I always wanted to hear that Vader quote in the PT, but old Georgie couldn't even do that.