Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
You both make good points.
Actually, what I like about Batman Begins (it's been years since I've seen either Burton film, not since I was a kid, so I can't really speak to my SPECIFIC dislikes of those, such as penguins with bazookas and all..) is that it finally is able to explain sussinctly why a modern man would dress up like a giant bat and take to the underworld, fighting crime on the terms of the criminals. The comics explanations work within the logic of comic book motivations, but in Burton's films, he just sort of WAS Batman. It touched on his parents murders' at the hands of Jack Napier, but it turned it into a "You created me," ... "Well, you created ME first," angle, which, though interesting, isn't really true to the character.
That said, I definitely like the look of the Burton films, and Jack Nilchoson made a good Joker. I just think Burton was a bit wrong-headed in his implementation of the 'darker' themes.
And I guess the fact Ra's al Ghul is my favorite Batvillain doesn't hurt.
You both make good points.
Actually, what I like about Batman Begins (it's been years since I've seen either Burton film, not since I was a kid, so I can't really speak to my SPECIFIC dislikes of those, such as penguins with bazookas and all..) is that it finally is able to explain sussinctly why a modern man would dress up like a giant bat and take to the underworld, fighting crime on the terms of the criminals. The comics explanations work within the logic of comic book motivations, but in Burton's films, he just sort of WAS Batman. It touched on his parents murders' at the hands of Jack Napier, but it turned it into a "You created me," ... "Well, you created ME first," angle, which, though interesting, isn't really true to the character.
That said, I definitely like the look of the Burton films, and Jack Nilchoson made a good Joker. I just think Burton was a bit wrong-headed in his implementation of the 'darker' themes.
And I guess the fact Ra's al Ghul is my favorite Batvillain doesn't hurt.
But by the same token, I think that Begins diminished both Ra's Al Ghul and Henri Ducard by making them one character...and I doubt there will be any Lazarus Pits for this Ra's...great to see Neeson in a Batman film, though, and it was a cool twist.