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On the Criterion Collection laserdisc.

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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
I wonder if he even knows who shot first.

Hey Whiner (appropriate name by the way), who shot first Greedo or Han?


As has been said, Greedo never even shot at all.

As for Whiner, I was wondering how long it was going to take for McCallum to register and post here! Welcome aboard, Fat Ass!
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I thought the most recent 3rd version of Close Encounters restored everything cut from the original except the scene at the power plant (which is in the deleted scenes)?
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Originally posted by: Mike O
On the Criterion Collection laserdisc.

Sorry, Mike O - but the Criterion Collection laserdisc is NOT the competely restored 1977 restoration it claims on its cover to be. In addition to including several shots that were only in the Special Edition, it is missing two very important scenes of Roy creating his model-train set mountain.

In the Criterion version, not to mention the Special Edition and the eventual Director's Cut "Collector's Edition," the audience doesn't see Roy creating a model train set mountain before they see him sculpt a mashed-potato mountain.


Anyone who saw the film in '77 recalls the joke being that Roy simply can't stop sculpting that mountain. In the revised versions, including the Criterion, the mashed potatoes is the first thing Roy is seen sculpting.




Heheh, like I said ... don't get me started.


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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Originally posted by: Mike O
On the Criterion Collection laserdisc.

Sorry, Mike O - but the Criterion Collection laserdisc is NOT the competely restored 1977 restoration it claims on its cover to be. In addition to including several shots that were only in the Special Edition, it is missing two very important scenes of Roy creating his model-train set mountain.

In the Criterion version, not to mention the Special Edition and the eventual Director's Cut "Collector's Edition," the audience doesn't see Roy creating a model train set mountain before they see him sculpt a mashed-potato mountain.


Anyone who saw the film in '77 recalls the joke being that Roy simply can't stop sculpting that mountain. In the revised versions, including the Criterion, the mashed potatoes is the first thing Roy is seen sculpting.

Heheh, like I said ... don't get me started.


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What about the TCM showing? Still CEOT3K has an odd history, but the situation is slightly different from the Star Wars one. Not to excuse Spielberg. And is the T.V. version of Duel available anywhere.

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why does this guy remind me of OCP's rants when the news first broke?

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To my knowledge, TCM has never shown the complete CE3K, though I have not watched every single airing (but, pfft, enough of them).

I think Duel is available in Europe. Heheh, if you have a region-free player, I think you can get it through Amazon UK. Maybe.


Oh, I agree that Spielberg's treatment of Close Encounters is different than George's treatment of Star Wars.

It's worse.


George believes in the changes he makes. Spielberg added that whole 'inside the Mothership' scene that he personally hated just to appease the studio into allowing him to make the changes he really wanted.

George is releasing a substandard quality version of his original 1977 film, perhaps with recreated elements such as the opening crawl to approximate what existed in 1977 (and, yeah, likely ignoring all the soundtrack differences as irrelevant.) Spielberg has never released, and as far as I know, has no intention of releasing the original 1977 version of his film, in any condition whatsoever. And the Criterion Version which claimed to be original, with Spielberg's blessing, was not.



Yes, very big differences.


As a filmmaker, Spielberg is light years ahead of Lucas. But as a self-censorer and second-guesser, Lucas is actually less objectionable. (Gadzooks, I can't believe I have to say that, but it's true.)
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Wow, he definitely has a point. I had no idea about all this CE3K controversy.

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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
To my knowledge, TCM has never shown the complete CE3K, though I have not watched every single airing (but, pfft, enough of them).

I think Duel is available in Europe. Heheh, if you have a region-free player, I think you can get it through Amazon UK. Maybe.


Oh, I agree that Spielberg's treatment of Close Encounters is different than George's treatment of Star Wars.

It's worse.


George believes in the changes he makes. Spielberg added that whole 'inside the Mothership' scene that he personally hated just to appease the studio into allowing him to make the changes he really wanted.

George is releasing a substandard quality version of his original 1977 film, perhaps with recreated elements such as the opening crawl to approximate what existed in 1977 (and, yeah, likely ignoring all the soundtrack differences as irrelevant.) Spielberg has never released, and as far as I know, has no intention of releasing the original 1977 version of his film, in any condition whatsoever. And the Criterion Version which claimed to be original, with Spielberg's blessing, was not.



Yes, very big differences.


As a filmmaker, Spielberg is light years ahead of Lucas. But as a self-censorer and second-guesser, Lucas is actually less objectionable. (Gadzooks, I can't believe I have to say that, but it's true.)


My point is that Lucas has made very few films, whereas Spielberg has many a masterpiece to his name. The CE3K issue has always been odd, and the motherships sequence was removed is later cuts. What is it with that film? Does Steve hate the original version, or does he simply not want to commit the time to releasing the different cuts? Plus, we must remember, Lucas went back and altered his film 20 years later, not six months later. None of this, by the way, excuses Spielberg. He should release the original. It's just that I've never seen it, so I can't comment on it. Do the original elements of the original Close Encounters material even still exist? I mean, Spielberg altered it, what, six months later, or something?

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Well hey let's not use this douchebag to characterize Lucas or McCallum in an improper way. I think Lucas wouldn't be so base. McCallum though...the special features had had to censor him a couple of times...nah I'm sure they'd bullshit us a lot more politely and diplomatically and from a position of condescending authority. You know how they are.

I get uncomfortable sometimes looking at certain avatars anymore don't you? There's the avatar with Han sitting back from when he says "over my dead body" that a couple of jackasses have given a bad name, and there's one jerk using Luke turning to the Emperor right before he says "I'll never turn to the dark side," And seeing Ocp's old avatar I thought maybe it was him. This guy didn't know enough about the controversy to be Ocp anyway. Plus, Ocp simply was self-rightous and disparaging to competing projects like X0, instead of disparaging to the entire movement. It's funny actually he was arguing with us about how great the September release will be when they'll be of the same quality as an unclean X0...then again he left before that was revealed.

Oh yeah, I hate assholes who use "free speech" to argue their point. "I'm right because we can all say whatever we want!" What?! It's worse than the Chewbacca defense! "Lucas can change history because he can say whatever he wants!" People, it does NOT MAKE SENSE! If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must aquit!

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Originally posted by: PaulisDead2221
Well hey let's not use this douchebag to characterize Lucas or McCallum in an improper way. I think Lucas wouldn't be so base. McCallum though...the special features had had to censor him a couple of times...nah I'm sure they'd bullshit us a lot more politely and diplomatically and from a position of condescending authority. You know how they are.

I get uncomfortable sometimes looking at certain avatars anymore don't you? There's the avatar with Han sitting back from when he says "over my dead body" that a couple of jackasses have given a bad name, and there's one jerk using Luke turning to the Emperor right before he says "I'll never turn to the dark side," And seeing Ocp's old avatar I thought maybe it was him. This guy didn't know enough about the controversy to be Ocp anyway. Plus, Ocp simply was self-rightous and disparaging to competing projects like X0, instead of disparaging to the entire movement. It's funny actually he was arguing with us about how great the September release will be when they'll be of the same quality as an unclean X0...then again he left before that was revealed.

Oh yeah, I hate assholes who use "free speech" to argue their point. "I'm right because we can all say whatever we want!" What?! It's worse than the Chewbacca defense! "Lucas can change history because he can say whatever he wants!" People, it does NOT MAKE SENSE! If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must aquit!


What? I'm totaly confused

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Originally posted by: Whiners
You guys are all a bunch of whiners. George Lucas changed the Star Wars movies so he could present them as he wanted to, and then you guys want the original versions. And now you're getting them, exactly the way they were showing them in theaters back in 1977, 1980, and 1983. But are you guys happy? No. You can't stop bitching about the fact you didn't get them in some certain format.

How could you people be so selfish? You've been whining for the original versions, you're getting the original versions, and now you want more. You actually, for once, WANT them to edit the original versions to your liking instead of getting the exact same experience you got in theaters almost 30 years ago. You're getting what you asked for, yet you want more. You people make me sick.

I can imagine the person who started this site. He's probably some 40-year old virgin who has the stature of a baby and lives with his mom, crying in his stroller "I WANT DA ORIGINAL STAR WARS MOVIES!!! WAH!!!" while his embarrased mom tries to shut him up when she's about to see Revenge of the Sith.

You know, Greedo's always been one of my favorite Star Wars characters, but ever since the special editions everyone's been whining about him shooting first and missing, and now he's changed into a one-dimensional character who misses all the time just because you people can't accept the fact your precious Star Wars movies were changed.

Quit bitching, you selfish bastards. Just shut up. You've gotten enough from your whining, enough to close down this stupid site once and for all.

Oh, and are you going to delete my post? Hmmm? Is that how you're going to counter me? Because I thought we believed in free speech, and seeing how this post hasn't broken any of the rules (maybe cursing, but that could easily be edited), I don't see any reason in it being deleted. Oh wait, no, you guys probably don't believe in free speech, and that's probably why you keep bitching at George Lucas for original versions when he's free to release whatever he wants. Fucking communists.



Sounds like somebody had nothing better to do than write up some rant about something he doesn't care about. If you re-read your post, you may want that 45 minutes back in your life you wasted writing this. But if it is done as just a joke, it is actually pretty funny.
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"In the Criterion version, not to mention the Special Edition and the eventual Director's Cut "Collector's Edition," the audience doesn't see Roy creating a model train set mountain before they see him sculpt a mashed-potato mountain.
Anyone who saw the film in '77 recalls the joke being that Roy simply can't stop sculpting that mountain. In the revised versions, including the Criterion, the mashed potatoes is the first thing Roy is seen sculpting."

My parents always missed this scene when CE3K was shown on TV. They loved watching him pull up dirt, trees and fencing from the neighbor's yards. LOL!

"why does this guy remind me of OCP's rants when the news first broke?"

This isn't even close. That was a record-breaker.

"I think Duel is available in Europe. Heheh, if you have a region-free player, I think you can get it through Amazon UK. Maybe."

It's available in the US. Is there a different version here?

"What? I'm totaly confused"

I got it.

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don't pay any attention to this whiners guy.

He's probalbly adamwankenobi or some other hopeless troll who simply does not get the goal of this site.

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Except that it doesn't matter, because he banned himself. I hope he has enjoyed reading the posts which describe how he did it. He should be very proud. :wave: lol
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

"why does this guy remind me of OCP's rants when the news first broke?"

This isn't even close. That was a record-breaker.


What exactly happened with OCP? I have never heard what happened and would love to get some insight of the situation.


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Oh, and are you going to delete my post? Hmmm? Is that how you're going to counter me? Because I thought we believed in free speech, and seeing how this post hasn't broken any of the rules (maybe cursing, but that could easily be edited), I don't see any reason in it being deleted. Oh wait, no, you guys probably don't believe in free speech, and that's probably why you keep bitching at George Lucas for original versions when he's free to release whatever he wants. Fucking communists.


Isn't that more like a dictatorship?

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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Do you even know what a communist is? Well anayways *most* of us arent' whinning and bitching. GL is being completely unfair by saying that the masters and camera negatives don't exist--but they do in pristine quality too. GL is giving us a 13 year old laserdisc master. You're not even alllowed to do that kind of garbage with DVD rules now a days. But he getting away with by saying it is bonus material. And it makes no sense for him to advertise it as the OOT but put no effort towards what he is marketing. Then he is saying that they are the theatrical version when there not. The colors don't match the theatrical version, we are not getting a theatrical sound mix--just the 93 laserdisc mix, and the "original crawl" that we are getting is a newly made one without the EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE.

Please go back to tf.n or sw.com and leave us alone.


Damn, so you mean they didn't clean up the original films and ported the laserdisc version? I thought that was a rumor. Sucks that it came true, But is there a difference between the original and the laserdisc version? Excuse my newbness.
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Originally posted by: iamstillhiro1112
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Do you even know what a communist is? Well anayways *most* of us arent' whinning and bitching. GL is being completely unfair by saying that the masters and camera negatives don't exist--but they do in pristine quality too. GL is giving us a 13 year old laserdisc master. You're not even alllowed to do that kind of garbage with DVD rules now a days. But he getting away with by saying it is bonus material. And it makes no sense for him to advertise it as the OOT but put no effort towards what he is marketing. Then he is saying that they are the theatrical version when there not. The colors don't match the theatrical version, we are not getting a theatrical sound mix--just the 93 laserdisc mix, and the "original crawl" that we are getting is a newly made one without the EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE.

Please go back to tf.n or sw.com and leave us alone.


Damn, so you mean they didn't clean up the original films and ported the laserdisc version? I thought that was a rumor. Sucks that it came true, But is there a difference between the original and the laserdisc version? Excuse my newbness.


I don't get your first too question can you please explain.
And the laserdisc is not theaterical cuz it doesn't have the original sound mix, and it is non anamorphic.
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Han shot first!!!!!!!

"Get my shuttle!"

No Jedi Rocks scene!

Theatrical cut rules!

I am buying this new DVD set because I think it's the best we're going to get from GL. At least I'll be able to see the trilogy the way I did when I first saw them back in 1995, but this time on glorious DVD.

You guys are right though. GL could have given us the real thing and not some 1993 laserdisc transfer. However is that going to happen? I've been waiting for this OOT DVD release to come to reality for years now. I tried to get it in 700mb format and actually succeeded back in 2005 with the ISOMIX version from the 1988 VCD. Then my harddrive died and (weep) lost ROTJ. I finally have a 700mb format of the 1993 laserdisc release but ROTJ wasn't transfered right. Then came Sept 12th and my wish was finally granted on a permanent basis. How long do DVDs last?
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Honestly guys...just ignore this troll.

I enjoy posting here because the boards are full of friendly people that (for the most part) respect other peoples' opinions, likes, and dislikes.

On top of that, we have many fans here that are exceptionaly skilled in technical areas, such as video editing, DVD authoring, sound mixing/editing, etc. The list goes on. If for no other reason at all, I would come here to see what other projects these talented individuals are working on and hopefully learn a thing or two from them.
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Originally posted by: bbbbYou guys are right though. GL could have given us the real thing and not some 1993 laserdisc transfer. However is that going to happen? I've been waiting for this OOT DVD release to come to reality for years now. I tried to get it in 700mb format and actually succeeded back in 2005 with the ISOMIX version from the 1988 VCD. Then my harddrive died and (weep) lost ROTJ. I finally have a 700mb format of the 1993 laserdisc release but ROTJ wasn't transfered right. Then came Sept 12th and my wish was finally granted on a permanent basis. How long do DVDs last?



Lucas has some kind of genetic inability release things only once. We'll see a proper OOT DVD release eventually, hoepfully soon.

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