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"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
The Mangler Bros. Psycho Dayv Armchaireviews Notes on Suicide
The Things We Hate And Love Thread . — Page 289
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MANY more people visit them than the SW or OT boards.
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There was much more 'real' activity in the Preservation section at that time than any other part of the boards, and it is the same situation these days. Do you frequent that section often? If you don't, sure, its easy to overlook the activity.
Hell, if someone only visited the Memorabilia and Collectibles section, they'd think that this entire forum is DESERTED, same deal.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
exactly, there should have been an anncouncement made in the main anncouncement section. Appointing the first ever OT.com mod is big news don't you think? Yet was put in a thread most members would not look at. The point is, the excuse Jay used to not appoint Dayv a mod was that he didn't want mods. When he appointed you a mod, that excuse became null and void. I don't have all the answers. But it sounds like you guys have some sort of built up fowl vendetta against Jay for not appointing you as mods. Are you saying that boon's new site has something to do with that? Sure, it would have been nice to announce my promotion in the Announcements forum, but that doesn't mean he was trying to be shady about it.
So now you're telling me the reason Dayv wasn't appointed an offical mod was because of how well he did an unoffical mod? Does that really make sense?
You can not get around the point that for all the hard work Dayv put into this site, he should been made a mod, and the very lest was deserving of a good explanation as to why he wasn't considered.
Again, I have nothing against you or Dayv or anyone else. But understand that just because someone is a very prominent and respected part of a community, it doesn't mean that they "deserve" to be a mod. Nobody "deserves" to be a mod on a message board unless the PTB believe they do and believe there is a need for a new mod. As far as this site goes, only Jay can answer that question.exactly, there should have been an anncouncement made in the main anncouncement section. Appointing the first ever OT.com mod is big news don't you think? Yet was put in a thread most members would not look at. The point is, the excuse Jay used to not appoint Dayv a mod was that he didn't want mods. When he appointed you a mod, that excuse became null and void. I don't have all the answers. But it sounds like you guys have some sort of built up fowl vendetta against Jay for not appointing you as mods. Are you saying that boon's new site has something to do with that? Sure, it would have been nice to announce my promotion in the Announcements forum, but that doesn't mean he was trying to be shady about it.
Seeing as Jay hasn't made them mods and has told them to stop acting like mods, I don't blame them. Why don't you and the other mods do you job and clean it up?
Do I detect some hostillity here? First of all, I have nothing against any of you guys. Second, being a mod on a message board is purely a voluntary position, and if I don't have the time, energy, and will to clean up the GSWD forum, I'm not going to do it. This is something you could've went to Jay about. But don't worry, things will probably be changing there fairly soon.So now you're telling me the reason Dayv wasn't appointed an offical mod was because of how well he did an unoffical mod? Does that really make sense?
You can not get around the point that for all the hard work Dayv put into this site, he should been made a mod, and the very lest was deserving of a good explanation as to why he wasn't considered.
I was a very prominent member of TFN about five years ago. I had a lot of friends there that were mods and Fan Force RSA's. I believed that I too deserved to be a mod because of the way I acted and treated people. But you know what? The administration didn't see things my way and never once was I considered for a mod position. I didn't like their decision, but that doesn't mean I hated them for it or thought any less of them.
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Originally posted by: Zion
But it sounds like you guys have some sort of built up fowl vendetta against Jay for not appointing you as mods.
I have no desire to be a mod nor do I have a buit up fowl vendetta against Jay.
If a very prominent and respected part of the community has demonstated that he has will and ability to be mod, he should atleast be considered and if not made mod, he given an honest reason. Just because Jay thinks that someone does not deserve to be a mod doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be mod. Jay is human and can make mistakes.
Originally posted by: Zion
I was a very prominent member of TFN about five years ago. I had a lot of friends there that were mods and Fan Force RSA's. I believed that I too deserved to be a mod because of the way I acted and treated people. But you know what? The administration didn't see things my way and never once was I considered for a mod position. I didn't like their decision, but that doesn't mean I hated them for it or thought any less of them.
But it sounds like you guys have some sort of built up fowl vendetta against Jay for not appointing you as mods.
I have no desire to be a mod nor do I have a buit up fowl vendetta against Jay.
Originally posted by: Zion
Are you saying that boon's new site has something to do with that?
I didn't, Jay did. He said so on the new site. and then he said it here and then he deleted it, but I know he meant it. I do believe it created the rift between Dayv and Jay that we see here today.
You were the one the complained about how bad things are on that section and critized the Mangler Bros for not cleaing up as if it were their job. If you don't have time, energy and/or will to clean up that section, then don't critize unoffical mods for not cleaning either. Maybe the unoffical mods don't have the time, energy, or will to clean it up either. Does that make them any less worthy than you to be a mod? If your in a glass house, don't throw stones.
Originally posted by: Zion
Again, I have nothing against you or Dayv or anyone else. But understand that just because someone is a very prominent and respected part of a community, it doesn't mean that they "deserve" to be a mod.
Are you saying that boon's new site has something to do with that?
I didn't, Jay did. He said so on the new site. and then he said it here and then he deleted it, but I know he meant it. I do believe it created the rift between Dayv and Jay that we see here today.
Originally posted by: Zion
Sure, it would have been nice to announce my promotion in the Announcements forum, but that doesn't mean he was trying to be shady about it.
I disagree, there is no other reason not to make the announcement of your promotion in the Announcements section other then to keep it quiet. Can you think of another reason? I can't.
Originally posted by: Zion
Do I detect some hostillity here? First of all, I have nothing against any of you guys. Second, being a mod on a message board is purely a voluntary position, and if I don't have the time, energy, and will to clean up the GSWD forum, I'm not going to do it. This is something you could've went to Jay about. But don't worry, things will probably be changing there fairly soon.
Sure, it would have been nice to announce my promotion in the Announcements forum, but that doesn't mean he was trying to be shady about it.
I disagree, there is no other reason not to make the announcement of your promotion in the Announcements section other then to keep it quiet. Can you think of another reason? I can't.
Originally posted by: Zion
Do I detect some hostillity here? First of all, I have nothing against any of you guys. Second, being a mod on a message board is purely a voluntary position, and if I don't have the time, energy, and will to clean up the GSWD forum, I'm not going to do it. This is something you could've went to Jay about. But don't worry, things will probably be changing there fairly soon.
You were the one the complained about how bad things are on that section and critized the Mangler Bros for not cleaing up as if it were their job. If you don't have time, energy and/or will to clean up that section, then don't critize unoffical mods for not cleaning either. Maybe the unoffical mods don't have the time, energy, or will to clean it up either. Does that make them any less worthy than you to be a mod? If your in a glass house, don't throw stones.
Originally posted by: Zion
Again, I have nothing against you or Dayv or anyone else. But understand that just because someone is a very prominent and respected part of a community, it doesn't mean that they "deserve" to be a mod.
If a very prominent and respected part of the community has demonstated that he has will and ability to be mod, he should atleast be considered and if not made mod, he given an honest reason. Just because Jay thinks that someone does not deserve to be a mod doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be mod. Jay is human and can make mistakes.
Originally posted by: Zion
I was a very prominent member of TFN about five years ago. I had a lot of friends there that were mods and Fan Force RSA's. I believed that I too deserved to be a mod because of the way I acted and treated people. But you know what? The administration didn't see things my way and never once was I considered for a mod position. I didn't like their decision, but that doesn't mean I hated them for it or thought any less of them.
Did they atleast give you an explanation as to why not? Did they tell you the reason was that they did not want mods at all and then go and appoint someone else a mod? You're going to tell me you didn't in any way feel slighted? If so, I am happy for you. But still don't blame Dayv he did feel slighted.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
I disagree, there is no other reason not to make the announcement of your promotion in the Announcements section other then to keep it quiet. Can you think of another reason? I can't. See, I wish you wouldn't think like that. It makes you sound like you have something against Jay. Like you said, Jay is human and probably just forgot. If the preservation forum was a place you rarely visited, why would it matter so much that a mod was elected with powers only in that forum?
Did they atkeast give you and explanation as to why not? Did they tell you reason was they did want mods at all then go and appoint someone else a mod? You're going to tell me you didn't in any way feel slighted? If so, I am happy for you. But still don't blame Dayv he did feel slighted.
The rule on TFN about asking to be a mod is to not ask at all. That kind of vibe sort of keeps you from demanding a reason why you weren't selected. Did I feel slighted? Maybe at first, but I also understood that it was their decision to appoint someone they felt comfortable with to help run their site. I disagree, there is no other reason not to make the announcement of your promotion in the Announcements section other then to keep it quiet. Can you think of another reason? I can't. See, I wish you wouldn't think like that. It makes you sound like you have something against Jay. Like you said, Jay is human and probably just forgot. If the preservation forum was a place you rarely visited, why would it matter so much that a mod was elected with powers only in that forum?
You were the one the complained about how bad things are on that section and critized the Mangler Bros for not cleaing up as if it were their job. If you don't have time, energy and/or will to clean up that section, then don't critize unoffical mods for not cleaning either. Maybe the unoffical mods don't have the time, energy, or will to clean it up either. Does that make them any less worthy than you to be a mod? If your in a glass house, don't throw stones. I really hate the internet sometimes. To you, my post comes off as if I'm blaming you guys for not doing something about it, but in reality I was only pointing out that you guys didn't frequent that forum either, and that nobody has complained about it to the mods. Sheesh.
If a very prominent and respected part of the community has demonstated that he has will and ability to be mod, he should atleast be considered and if not made mod, he given an honest reason. Just because Jay thinks that someone does not deserve to be a mod doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be mod. Jay is human and can make mistakes.
If you own a web site, you decide who is promoted and who isn't. It's nobody else's decision but yours. If a very prominent and respected part of the community has demonstated that he has will and ability to be mod, he should atleast be considered and if not made mod, he given an honest reason. Just because Jay thinks that someone does not deserve to be a mod doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be mod. Jay is human and can make mistakes.
Did they atkeast give you and explanation as to why not? Did they tell you reason was they did want mods at all then go and appoint someone else a mod? You're going to tell me you didn't in any way feel slighted? If so, I am happy for you. But still don't blame Dayv he did feel slighted.
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See, I wish you wouldn't think like that. It makes you sound like you have something against Jay. Like you said, Jay is human and probably just forgot. If the preservation forum was a place you rarely visited, why would it matter so much that a mod was elected with powers only in that forum?
man dont you think its a big deal, for years jay prided the site on the fact that it didnt need a mod, that he didnt want a mod, that he wanted to havea forum where people sorted out ther own problems themselves. thats a pretyt unique thing, and it was something many of us prominant forum members prided the site on, prided ourselves on. then one day jay decides to make a modw. hen at so many points he had denied us one or said he didnt want one. i do find i very suspect that he anounced this only in the presevation folder, when declaring a mod is an important anouncement, and it wasnt posted in the important anouncement folder. whats the point of having that folder if you dont use it. and it matter because of the principal of it. look how mad jay is about this site and how it went behind is back, same sorta think only to a lesser degree.
well in dayvs case i find the fact that he had been an unoffical mod enough of a reason to to make him a mod. when the site didnt have a mod in the first place.
I was a very prominent member of TFN about five years ago. I had a lot of friends there that were mods and Fan Force RSA's. I believed that I too deserved to be a mod because of the way I acted and treated people. But you know what? The administration didn't see things my way and never once was I considered for a mod position. I didn't like their decision, but that doesn't mean I hated them for it or thought any less of them.
man dont you think its a big deal, for years jay prided the site on the fact that it didnt need a mod, that he didnt want a mod, that he wanted to havea forum where people sorted out ther own problems themselves. thats a pretyt unique thing, and it was something many of us prominant forum members prided the site on, prided ourselves on. then one day jay decides to make a modw. hen at so many points he had denied us one or said he didnt want one. i do find i very suspect that he anounced this only in the presevation folder, when declaring a mod is an important anouncement, and it wasnt posted in the important anouncement folder. whats the point of having that folder if you dont use it. and it matter because of the principal of it. look how mad jay is about this site and how it went behind is back, same sorta think only to a lesser degree.
Again, I have nothing against you or Dayv or anyone else. But understand that just because someone is a very prominent and respected part of a community, it doesn't mean that they "deserve" to be a mod.
well in dayvs case i find the fact that he had been an unoffical mod enough of a reason to to make him a mod. when the site didnt have a mod in the first place.
I was a very prominent member of TFN about five years ago. I had a lot of friends there that were mods and Fan Force RSA's. I believed that I too deserved to be a mod because of the way I acted and treated people. But you know what? The administration didn't see things my way and never once was I considered for a mod position. I didn't like their decision, but that doesn't mean I hated them for it or thought any less of them.
were you the top active poster at the time? had you been acting as an unoffical mod for 3 years prior to your desire to be a mod? had you been one of the most prominant members of the site for the prior 3 years? and was there a dire need for a mod at the same time? and had you shown that you were more then capable of being a mod?
all of those dayv has fofilled and surpassed, for those reason feel that he should have been mad a mod for the SW section and the Off-topic section. and that you since yuou were there so often could have been the mod in the preservation section. it would have been the logical and fair way of doing things. but jay decided against it, i donno why, but seeing that it was so logical i feel that dayv should have been given a reason.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
TR47 already got banned from the site.
TR47 already got banned from the site.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
For what?
For what?
Boon said he broke rule one which is the nonprofit rule.
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by Shimraa:
wow boon the more i read the morei am leaning on jays side of this whole debackle. seriously your logic of we did it first, man what you guys did is just about as moral as me telling my buddy an idea for an invention, and then my friend going and making that invention, and patening is before i have a chance. and doing it behind my back. the bottem line is that with the similar name you guys are going to seriously hurt the success of jays site. how fair is that, how can your morally jsut go and blow off jay when he has spent a year and a half developing his site. your use of torrents and open talk of pirating is going to be the site of choice when the two sites are up. you pretty much spat in jays face with this. the least you can do is change the sites name. jay had the rights to fanedit.com a lot longer then you had the rights for *****. is that not the case. well i think that would be fair game as to say that jay was first.
wow boon the more i read the morei am leaning on jays side of this whole debackle. seriously your logic of we did it first, man what you guys did is just about as moral as me telling my buddy an idea for an invention, and then my friend going and making that invention, and patening is before i have a chance. and doing it behind my back. the bottem line is that with the similar name you guys are going to seriously hurt the success of jays site. how fair is that, how can your morally jsut go and blow off jay when he has spent a year and a half developing his site. your use of torrents and open talk of pirating is going to be the site of choice when the two sites are up. you pretty much spat in jays face with this. the least you can do is change the sites name. jay had the rights to fanedit.com a lot longer then you had the rights for *****. is that not the case. well i think that would be fair game as to say that jay was first.
Shimraa, thanks for posting this and for the time you take to learn about his thing. i have no idea what it is you are reading, but if you want to I can send you the entire messages I had with jay from the beginning.
But back to your post:
Jay is neither my buddy nor my friend, I actually don't know him a bit (well I get to know him now). Believe it or not, I had no idea what Jay was planning until ** was already up. The banner "****" referring to our website is 1 year old (I just looked it up, because I thought it was about 6 months) and was created by our webmaster Neo_the_one. Proof? ****1.0 user: ****pw: films . If you need more evidence, I can forward you the email, where he showed it to me. Now you may say I present false evidence, I about expect that, but true is, i don't have to present anything at all. I do it, just so you might see, what really happened, because I don't have a bad conscience. We could have made ** already then, but at that time I was to busy with other ongoing projects and he did not want to do it alone. About 1 year later I got about the same offer again and this time I was ready for action and showed Pauley79 the "****" banner that Neo created. The domain for it was registered months before. Why do I tell this? Because I think it makes one thing clear: I didn't do anything behind anyone's back. "Jay is not the godfather of fanedits" was one of my posts in the ** forum as an answer to why I did not think about contacting him. Why should I? Because he runs this place here? I still don't understand, what makes jay such an important person when it comes to fanedits, just because he owns OT. The fanedit thing is a total side product of OT, always was. My projects were and are in the NON STAR WARS section, which I always found... unfitting. Matrix is surely a non star wars film, it is also a non battle star galactica film. Somehow this explains how I and some other fellow faneditors who did not just edit Star Wars movies felt about this place. We were a side product.
And again back to your post:
I disagree that our name hurts in any way the success of Jay's site, if it is quality, it will survive and if not, then it will die. The users will make it important or less important. How fair is what, if I do not know and do not care about Jay? Does Jay care about me? Once again I am asking: why is this guy so important? Why should I have to respect him, when he does obviously not respect me a bit? I really don't understand what you are saying there, but I remember Jay saying : respect is earned by doing respectful deeds. Well... he never did anything much respectful to me, if you ask me. But I like OT and personally I think it is the users that made it to what it was, not Jay. So, I am not spitting anything in his face by saying that it is absolutely ok to create a fanedits showcase and name it the way we want, because I do not talk to Jay, he is neither a faneditor (as far as I know) nor does he watch fanedits (as far as I know). He is just the webmaster of this great community, not their boss, not their creator, not the man with the answers.
Do you know SISTERHOOD, it is a band of the 80s, actually it is just one guy... when the Sisters of Mercy split in 1985 the rest of the members wanted to continue using the fans of the sisters, so they chose the name Sisterhood to get realized. They did not produce an albun title but went on tour for several months. Now the reamining mastermind of Sisters of Mercy, who also had the rights for the name, ws shocked by the name SISTERHOOD, but he knew about legal rights, so he produced and album with a song he wrote in 10 minutes under the band name SISTERHOOD and thereby he git the rights for the band name. Agrred, it was not nice, what he did, but he would have called it self-defence I guess. Still, he was the first to come up with something, so he could keep the name.
We were the first to come up with our name, the website exists right now for everyone to see. This and the behaviour of Jay are all I need to explain, why there is no reason for us to NOT use our name. You tell me ONE REASON why I should be nice after all that has been said.
Jay made this a battle that I am still not willing to fight, but I will defend myself. If you want peace, Jay, be welcome, you don't even have to apologize for all the bad things you said about and to me, let's just share banners. Maybe you are a nice guy after all - with a superiority complex (I will edit this if I have to).
And Shimraa, it is just not fair from some people here always saying that I knew or must have known about things I didn't. It is actually impossible for me to defend myself against prejudices.
Nothing about fanediting is easy.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
How do you profit off of fanedits?
How do you profit off of fanedits?
Charge money for them.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
How do you profit off of fanedits?
How do you profit off of fanedits?
by getting the site sponsered with ads.
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as for who i am gonna beleive. i have never seen jay lose his temper you had to have done something to get that kinda response from him.