Originally posted by: JediRandy
If he didn’t “possess the mind” they why are people still talking about SW 30 years later? Was ANH a fluke? Did he get lucky?
Uhg, please don't take my thread off topic. The last few posts have been completely unrelated to the original discussion thanks to you.
I'm seriously exploring Lucas as an artist and why his most recent work objectively destroys the continuity and quality of his previous work. This isn't a thread for your random "opinions" or your subjective preferences.
If you had paid any attention to what Obi Jeewhyen and the rest of us were discussing, then you would know that we are not stating that ANH was merely some "fluke" on Lucas' part. Nor do we necessarily believe that his newest works had to be quite so bad. Some of us may believe these things, but that’s not the focus of the debate. The point of this thread is the messy nature with which George has assembled everything related to Star Wars over the years; that he took other potentially good ideas and ruined them by tacking them onto older ideas that were then also ruined as a result. If you want to debate that point, then you are welcome to join in.
In my opinion, Lucas accomplished so much with ANH precisely because it was a fresh effort on his part. He wasn't making anything complicated or altering anything that was well established and so there weren't many mistakes for him to even make. His artistic talent was able to shine. Plus, he had many collaborators on ANH who were able to give life to a lot of the cold and generic ideas he personally brought to Star Wars. Then, of course GL directed/edited the film well. I'm not going to detract from what he accomplished and organized well. It the mess he made later that is the problem.
Originally posted by: Blackjack
I don't think we've been hard on lucas at all. I've come to the conclusion that he hates us OOT fans, so it is O.K. to hate him right back.
otherwise he wouldn't treat the unaltered version like a disease to wipe out of existance. There is no other reason for his anamosity towards the OOt and its fans.
If he didn’t “possess the mind” they why are people still talking about SW 30 years later? Was ANH a fluke? Did he get lucky?
Uhg, please don't take my thread off topic. The last few posts have been completely unrelated to the original discussion thanks to you.
I'm seriously exploring Lucas as an artist and why his most recent work objectively destroys the continuity and quality of his previous work. This isn't a thread for your random "opinions" or your subjective preferences.
If you had paid any attention to what Obi Jeewhyen and the rest of us were discussing, then you would know that we are not stating that ANH was merely some "fluke" on Lucas' part. Nor do we necessarily believe that his newest works had to be quite so bad. Some of us may believe these things, but that’s not the focus of the debate. The point of this thread is the messy nature with which George has assembled everything related to Star Wars over the years; that he took other potentially good ideas and ruined them by tacking them onto older ideas that were then also ruined as a result. If you want to debate that point, then you are welcome to join in.
In my opinion, Lucas accomplished so much with ANH precisely because it was a fresh effort on his part. He wasn't making anything complicated or altering anything that was well established and so there weren't many mistakes for him to even make. His artistic talent was able to shine. Plus, he had many collaborators on ANH who were able to give life to a lot of the cold and generic ideas he personally brought to Star Wars. Then, of course GL directed/edited the film well. I'm not going to detract from what he accomplished and organized well. It the mess he made later that is the problem.
Originally posted by: Blackjack
I don't think we've been hard on lucas at all. I've come to the conclusion that he hates us OOT fans, so it is O.K. to hate him right back.
otherwise he wouldn't treat the unaltered version like a disease to wipe out of existance. There is no other reason for his anamosity towards the OOt and its fans.
But when will the hate stop?! At some point someone has to desire peace and love!
Personally, if George wants to hate me because I'm a fan of the original theatrical releases of Star Wars then that's his choice. It's not hurting me at all. I'd rather analyze how he hurts himself, hurts the people he worked with in the past, and hurts the classic films he helped create.
I was also thinking, because George has such a messy and unorganized mind, perhaps that's why there is such animosity between him and his fans. Fans (or fanatics) are, by definition, strongly attached to something. George on the other hand has no loyalty to the intended content he has control over. He'll contradict or change things that fans have become completely attached to and not give a care in the slightest. The biggest problem of course is when he removes something that was clearly and objectively great in terms of artistic achievement and then replaces it with something clearly inferior.