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ROTS in the IMDb top 250!

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Most of you a probably framiliar with the IMDb.com website. But for those of you who are not take a look a this: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

ROTS is currently # 235 in the top 250 movies of all time of people's opinions on this website. Isn't that sad? In June it made its way all the way up to 221.

What pisses me off most about this is that George Lucas is going to see this and his little brain is going to think: I'm such a good film maker! I was right! The people still love me! I'm the best!
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ESB #10
SW # 11
ROTJ #110
ROTS # 235

I think that says it all, and I feel justified in my belief of how the masses look at the saga. SW & ESB are classics and being in the top 11 proves that. ROTJ is way down, cause it is an average/decent sequel, and ROTS is probably in there cause it ties to the OT so much.

I never go by the exact numbers in these polls & lists cause they are subjective, but I just look at where they rate compared to the other films, and it doesn't suprise me that only SW & ESB are the only SW movies that are considered great. On other SW sites, if I said that, I would be a basher.
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Originally posted by: CO
ESB #10
SW # 11
ROTJ #110
ROTS # 235

I think that says it all, and I feel justified in my belief of how the masses look at the saga. SW & ESB are classics and being in the top 11 proves that. ROTJ is way down, cause it is an average/decent sequel, and ROTS is probably in there cause it ties to the OT so much.

I never go by the exact numbers in these polls & lists cause they are subjective, but I just look at where they rate compared to the other films, and it doesn't suprise me that only SW & ESB are the only SW movies that are considered great. On other SW sites, if I said that, I would be a basher.


True that, though perhaps I like ROTJ *a little* more than you do. I think it's a good movie, just not great like the other two.
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I like ROTS but is it the 235th greatest film of all time, I dont think so, I dont take any credence in the IMDB top 250 anyway, is ROTS better than Dr Zhivago or All the Presidents Men, I dont think so, is Return of the Jedi better than The Deer Hunter or 1933 King Kong I dont think so.
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I think the list is pretty valid. You see, what bothers me is the fact that 36.7% of the people on that site gave it a 10!? How could they? They movie was littered with plot holes and poor tie-ins to the OOT. Plus the acting was terrible, the story was contrived and stupid, and the CGI looked terrible and there was tons of pointless characters (General Grevious) and poor pacing.
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Originally posted by: BadAssKeith
I think the list is pretty valid. You see, what bothers me is the fact that 36.7% of the people on that site gave it a 10!? How could they? They movie was littered with plot holes and poor tie-ins to the OOT. Plus the acting was terrible, the story was contrived and stupid, and the CGI looked terrible and there was tons of pointless characters (General Grevious) and poor pacing.



I think ROTS has two things going for it, and this isn't a defense of the movie. TPM & AOTC are so bad, ROTS looks like gold next to those two movies. Even when the reviews came out last May, everyone heralded it as the best of the PT, Lucas finally got it right, so it got pumped up so much cause it is so much better than the first two PT movies.

It will always be tied to the OT because this is really the PT story, and should have been fleshed out over two movies, and TPM & AOTC should have been combined as the first prequel.

As for everything you say B.A. Keith:

Plot Holes? I agree, especially Leias memories of her mom

Poor Tiesins to the OT? I agree, but that started with Anakin building C-3PO in TPM, so by ROTS, I was used to that shit.

Acting Terrible? I agree, except for McGregor, he was great through the PT. Christenson & Portman, UGGGH!

Contrived Plot? I agree, the turn is the dumbest plot point and totally ruins the PT. All for a dream? How come Anakin didn't ask Palpatine, "How do you save people, can you atleast give me an explanation?" He just follows him blindly, and looks like an idiot.

Overuse of CGI? I agree. Just watch parts of all 6 movies, and the OT movies feel real with real models and real locations (Endor, Tatooine, Hoth). The only setting that felt real in the PT was Tatooine, cause that is the only part Lucas didn't shoot in Bluescreen.

Pointless Charaters? I agree, Grevious was bad, and someone get him some Robitusson!
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At least Lucas seemed to be aiming to please with ROTS and the upcoming release. I think that I notice a significant change in his attitude of late.

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I think ROTS is the best of the PT- but that's not saying very much. It's still a mess. I'm glad that the OT films rank higher.

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Well, the last Lord of the Rings film is at #4, and CASABLANCA is at #5, so...
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Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: BadAssKeith
Overuse of CGI? I agree. Just watch parts of all 6 movies, and the OT movies feel real with real models and real locations (Endor, Tatooine, Hoth). The only setting that felt real in the PT was Tatooine, cause that is the only part Lucas didn't shoot in Bluescreen.

Pointless Charaters? I agree, Grevious was bad, and someone get him some Robitusson!


Don't forget Naboo. Seriously, TPM had the most real stuff out of all the prequels, and it's starting to gain my favor, especially considering how bad ROTS is starting to look on repeat viewings. I swear, parts of that movie are just painful to watch.

Segue.

Like every scene with General Grievous. Funny comment. I actually said the same thing when I was watching the movie with my friends last week.

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I wish "Rain Man" was still in the top 250. It is a lot better than most the crap on that list. In fact, I find a lot of the movies that are lower in that list to be much better than the ones in the top 100.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: BadAssKeith
Overuse of CGI? I agree. Just watch parts of all 6 movies, and the OT movies feel real with real models and real locations (Endor, Tatooine, Hoth). The only setting that felt real in the PT was Tatooine, cause that is the only part Lucas didn't shoot in Bluescreen.

Pointless Charaters? I agree, Grevious was bad, and someone get him some Robitusson!


Don't forget Naboo. Seriously, TPM had the most real stuff out of all the prequels, and it's starting to gain my favor, especially considering how bad ROTS is starting to look on repeat viewings. I swear, parts of that movie are just painful to watch.


Totally agree. I think TPM is the best of the PT, because the biggest part of it is REAL, unlike the other 2 crappy-HD-Almost completely CGI-prequel crap-movies. General Grievous = HOW CAN YOU COME UP WITH SUCH AN IDIOT.
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Originally posted by: CO
I think ROTS has two things going for it, and this isn't a defense of the movie. TPM & AOTC are so bad, ROTS looks like gold next to those two movies. Even when the reviews came out last May, everyone heralded it as the best of the PT, Lucas finally got it right, so it got pumped up so much cause it is so much better than the first two PT movies.


Again, even though I don't like beating a dead horse, I want to state that, in my personal estimation, The Phantom Menace was the best "film" out of the prequel trilogy. (It had a cohesive story, decent pacing, non-revolting acting, etc.) RotS can only be considered best film of the PT if you bring in the subjective viewpoint and expectations of a traditional Star Wars fan and TPM can only be considered the worst of the PT in those same terms. When further analyzing the basic movie merits of the PT, RotS was second best film and AotC was the worst of the prequel trilogy in my mind.

However, none of the prequel-trilogy movies deserve to be within the best 1,000 movies of all time as far as I'm concerned.

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I agree with all you who think TPM is the best of the prequels. What I like about it like a lot of you said is the fact that it had the most real sets and it was actually filmed on "film", not recorded on those shitty, artificial, digital cameras. Even though I didn't like the story of TPM, I thought the acting was adequate with most the cast and I liked Lian Neeson's character Qui Gon Gin even though he was unnecessary. I don't have anything against digital cameras. I think they are definitely the way to go in the future. But right now they just don't look good enough or maybe lucas was just cheap and bought the cheapest ones from Sony. But seriously, those cameras should've been 40-50 megapixal cameras able to shoot at least 80 fps and yet I could swear my 7.2 digital camera with capability of shooting 30 fps was almost just as good.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup ......AotC was the worst of the prequel trilogy in my mind.

However, none of the prequel-trilogy movies deserve to be within the best 1,000 movies of all time as far as I'm concerned.

I agree totally with both of those statements. There are AT LEAST 1,000 movies better than the PT films.

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AOTC clones is the odd one, even by prequel standards. TPM is obviosuly geared towards kids, ROTS is an attempt to get back in the good books of longtime fans, and AOTC is...well, I don't know. I've always assumed that that had something to do with the presence of John Halyes (it has that same sort of disjointed feel as ROTJ in places). As is typical with Lucas, the story is excellent, but the screenplay and dialogue and his skill at working with actors leaves much to be desired. The OT is understandably different stylistically from film to film; two proucers, three directors, three writers, and many other things. The PT, though? Lucas directed all three, completely wrote two, co-wrote on, and Rick McCallum produced all three, and still they strangely schizophenic. It doesn't make much sense. As long as I have high-quality version of the OOT, Lucas can follow his vision to his heart's content, but he doesn't seem to be sure what that is. If he can't the PT fit together with itself, how can he expect it to fit with the OT?

Well, the last Lord of the Rings film is at #4, and CASABLANCA is at #5, so...


You don't like Casablanca and Return of the King? The latter, I understand, even if I love it, for it has many detractors. But the former?

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Originally posted by: Mike O
TPM is obviosuly geared towards kids, ROTS is an attempt to get back in the good books of longtime fans, and AOTC is...well, I don't know.


I'll agree that Phantom Menace was film with many juvenile elements. It also took the series into strange territory (virgin birth, midiclorians, odd Jedi organization, etc.). Still it was fast and fun to watch to a degree. Plus, the idea of a virtuous, messiah-type figure eventually foresaking goodness and turning to the dark side was an interesting prospect for me to ponder (I was disappointed).

I should add that in terms of story, editing, and pacing, I believe AotC was better than RotS (which had no discernable story, and irregular pacing). However, the obnoxiously bad dialogue and wooden acting in AotC makes it worse of the PT to me. At least RotS had acting I could stomach (like TPM) and depicted a number of dramatic moments that were moving to a degree.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
AOTC clones is the odd one, even by prequel standards. TPM is obviosuly geared towards kids, ROTS is an attempt to get back in the good books of longtime fans, and AOTC is...well, I don't know. I've always assumed that that had something to do with the presence of John Halyes (it has that same sort of disjointed feel as ROTJ in places). As is typical with Lucas, the story is excellent, but the screenplay and dialogue and his skill at working with actors leaves much to be desired. The OT is understandably different stylistically from film to film; two proucers, three directors, three writers, and many other things. The PT, though? Lucas directed all three, completely wrote two, co-wrote on, and Rick McCallum produced all three, and still they strangely schizophenic. It doesn't make much sense. As long as I have high-quality version of the OOT, Lucas can follow his vision to his heart's content, but he doesn't seem to be sure what that is. If he can't the PT fit together with itself, how can he expect it to fit with the OT?

Well, the last Lord of the Rings film is at #4, and CASABLANCA is at #5, so...


You don't like Casablanca and Return of the King? The latter, I understand, even if I love it, for it has many detractors. But the former?
I think Ric was pointing out the absurdity of a film list that places a recent fantasy movie above what is generally accepted as a classic. I personally like both movies, but I think that is what Ric was trying to say.

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Anyway, imdb top list isn't really fair just because the majority of users are americans... I don't have anything against americans, but just look that list: many of these movies are blockbusters. Even if many are "good" blockbusters, they're still "hollywood-style" spectacular movies...
Even if I love Star Wars or LOTR, there are so many more interesting movies in the history of cinema... too bad...
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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
Anyway, imdb top list isn't really fair just because the majority of users are americans... I don't have anything against americans, but just look that list: many of these movies are blockbusters. Even if many are "good" blockbusters, they're still "hollywood-style" spectacular movies...
Even if I love Star Wars or LOTR, there are so many more interesting movies in the history of cinema... too bad...


There's a variety to America, some people think things out before they cast a vote and some rate Batman Begins as the 81st greatest film of all time. Either way, all have access to a computer.

Allright, I've assembled my own reorder of the top ten using IMDBs top 250, I haven't seen every film on the top 250 and the order is a little wish-washy cause I consider all the greatest films of all time equally greatest of all time, but bear with me.

1 - Fight Club*
1 - Dr. Strangelove
1 - A Clockwork Orange
1 - Scarface (80s)
1 - Empire Strikes Back (more as a representative of the whole OOT)
1 - Apocalypse Now
1 - Taxi Driver
1 - The Shining (just for simply kicking ass)
1 - Blade Runner*
1 - Casablanca

"2001: A Space Odyssey" would have made it on my top ten, but since it's greatness cannot be measured in puerile mortal numbers I'll have to settle for tacking it on the end. imdb's list should start right after A Space Odyssey and A Space Odyssey's authority at the top must never be questioned by any movie of lesser status.

How bout anybody else's edit of the imdb list?

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I am curious as to what your asterisks mean. Did you forget to expound upon them?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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You mean the movie attached to the asterisk or the asterisk itself...?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Scarface is a mixed bag for me.

Sure, it is a decent enough film, and I've seen it a few times, but I still don't like the fact that it has been totally bastardized into a "gangsta" symbol by today's culture.

I mean, did any of these people WATCH Scarface? Did they not understand the POINT that it was trying to make? Its almost like someone watching Super Size Me and then going to McDonalds everyday because of it.
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Nice. Time to add another vote to keep it in there a while longer.