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How the prequels should’ve played out:

First of all, Tatooine should’ve never been introduced into the prequels until episode 3. The Skywalker family shouldn’t have had any relation with that planet. I thought it was just common sense from the OT that the reason why Luke was raised on Tatooine, hidden from the empire, is because it was a very desolate planet for him. Anakin never had any connections there, it was the farthest planet in the outer rim, so it would be the most ideal place. Doesn’t that make sense why Luke and his step parents went there to raise him to hide from the empire? Instead lucass asks us to play dumb with that plot point and a lot of others. It amazes me that he was so oblivious not to see this and instead goes out of his way to make himself look like an idiot by making it be the most likely place for Anakin/the empire to look for him.

Also I thought the reason why Obi Wan was wearing that huge robe in ANH was to hide his identity from the genocide of the jedi. But brain dead lucas decided to make that a signature feature with all jedi so now it just makes obi wan look like an idiot, stick out like a sore thumb of a jedi, just asking to be spotted.

But lucas couldn’t figure out how to make that all work out even though he had it already layed out, he simply just ignores it. But of course, lucas couldn’t be that subtle, he had to smack all the plot elements over our heads with all the subtlety of a grand piano dropping from the top of the empire state building. I could go on and on all day about this like the prophacy BS and the midiclorians rubbish.

It makes me wonder if at one point, lucas just totally became oblivious to the plot connections he made with the OT to connect with the PT. Since all the good artist who worked on SW left lucas, people who gave him good suggestions and had the balls to object him were gone all he had left were yes men. Lucas’s ego was too big to ever question himself, so instead he just made up a lot of stupid, last minuet BS and proclaims it genius.
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Interesting. The jedi farmer robes is definitely something I now notice Lucas overlooked. I'd change that for the real pt too.

My PT would go like so:

E1}} Prettymuch have it be about the life of a jedi, introduce us to the order, how people are chosen, how they train, etc. In the end I'd keep from TPM, The Duel of the Fates ( which to this day I think is the greatest lightsaber fight on film. No CGI bull shit doubles or artsy glow stick dancing. ESB's the most dramatic, but for pure spectacle this is the king.) None of this crap about balance or midichlorians. Anakin's a teen from coruscant or naboo, whatever, and a reject from the council like we saw in TPM who quigon sees great potential in and believes his destiny is to defeat the sith, so he urges obiwan to train him. the end. Either that or Obi-wan discovers this young scruffy lookin hotshot pilot who's rejected and who has great great potential and Obi-wan offers to train him against the counsil's wishes. The plot would concern a coming war between factions within the republic and the protection of a senator rather than queen who Anakin falls in love with. It'd be a great story.

E2}}Clone Wars Parts 1 and 2. This replaces Attack of the clones, since it is more fun like the originals, has better quality acting, more badass jedi, Anaking being the best star pilot ever, and has a story with grievous actually being a threat instead of a dumb joke of a character. I'd have preferred these be made in live action instead of whatever lucas came up with.

E3}}And Lastly Parts of RotS... the good parts. I thought Ian's performance was brilliant. So all that should be kept except the silly faces. Get rid of Hayden and put in someone who can act. Oh and I'd never have had Anakin be younger than padme. What the hell was the point of that? They'd be around the same age. I'd have anakin build his red saber instead of that not so subtle brother vs brother thing Lucas decided to do and have Obi-wan take anakin's saber for apparently no good reason except that he has it in ANH. Just have Padme return to her apartment to find a lightsaber with a note attached saying "give this to my son when he's old enough." or something like that. the eyes turning yellow is great though. I like that.

Here's the mess. How does padme die in a non-crappy PT? well it won't be because George Lucas lost the will to keep her alive or some other dumb excuse.


My idea is she'd have the twins, then instruct yoda and KING organa to protect them, while she confronts the chancellor to discuss returning to democracy, not knowing he's a sith lord now. And the Emperor kills her before Vader's eyes. Oh and the reason anakin becomes a sith isn't just to protect his wife from some bad dream. His own lust for power and glory will be his undoing as he starts to like the taste of the dark side that he felt in the clone wars cartoon and embraces it fully once his old friend Palpatine offers him a chance to become great, and it's this chance to protect his family, have unlimited power to stop the endless war that drives him finally across the rift between the dark and the light.


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You both make great points.

To build on your ideas, in my mind, there would be no C3-PO in the PT either. Like a kid on tatooine was able to build him. Yeah right. Just R2 to explain how Obi-wan knew him. Also, Padme would live through it, and presumably be caught and killed by the empire in between eps. 3 and 4.

Also, Anakin's demise as he loses his limbs wouldn't be a blink and you miss it sort of thing. It'd be much slower, though I can't think of how. Maybe someone else can come up with something.

And the destruction of the Jedi wouldn't happen so fast. And Anakin would actually have had a hand in it beyond killing children. Episode three needed to be all about the hunting down of the Jedi and Anakin's injury that put him in the suit.

Episodes one and two would basically be one episode, with episode two being the clone wars and some of ROTS, including Anakin's seduction. Episode three would be the hunting down of the Jedi and some of the in-between years.
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I missed the last couple of days, so this BadAssKeith stuff kinda got under my radar, but he actually has a very good point about Ben's robes that I never thought about before. The way Alec Guiness wears those robes, it just screams, "crazy old wizard!" But, yeah, they do become a Jedi trait. And Lucas should have known better. Actually, he did, since Qui-Gon had enough sense to change into a poncho before leaving the ship in order to conceal his identity. Boggles the mind.

But ROTJ had Anakin in the same robes, too, so it's hard to say.

And, Darth_Evil just had to remind me of the implausibility of the C-3PO thing. My personal favorite is when Anakin says that he built him to help out his mom. Yeah... like a slave in the ass-end of the galaxy really needs a protocol droid that can be programmed to learn 6 million forms of communication. Unless maybe he was originally designed like that urban legend trading card. He never did specify in exactly what way 3PO was supposed to be "helping" his mother, now did he? ^_~

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The Duel of the Fates ( which to this day I think is the greatest lightsaber fight on film. No CGI bull shit doubles or artsy glow stick dancing. ESB's the most dramatic, but for pure spectacle this is the king.)



Have to disagree with you here. i watched the TPM duel the other day for the first time in forever & i couldn't stand it. I've taken Olympic style fencing lessons for several years and recently started taking Kendo (japanese "samurai style" fencing) and Iaido (the art of drawing the sword and killing the antagonist, from an unassuming position - i.e. sitting on the floor eating a bowl of rice & someone attacks you). The TPM fight just made me cringe! Ewan McGreggor jumps off the ground EVERY time he blocks* a blow!!! You would NEVER do that! you'd get killed in a heartbeat! In fact, in kendo you never even allow your feet to cross (much less, leave the ground)! You keep you right foot forward & your left foot back in a very agressive stance. you move in an awkward(at first) way similar to how a child would run with a "stick pony" when playing cowboy. & you lift your feet just enough to be able to move them, effectively "gliding" across the ground. This is so that, when you run into your opponent, if you don't succeed at killing them, they can't knock you over when you run into each other. Having one foot forward & one back is a very stable/powerful position. if your feet are close together, or worse yet, in the air!!, you're a dead man. This doesn't even bring up the point of the ridiculous twirling baton lightsabers of the prequels! The OOT fights were at least reasonably believable as they were based on ACTUAL swordfighting techniques (& honetly, the ANH duel is probably most realistic). I'm a huge fan of swordfighting and can go a long way in forgiving the over-the-top fights from hollywood when they at least try to mimic something that you might actually do, but the prequels are just laughable. They remind me too much of the sword twirling you see at karate tournaments (not to knock karate, it has lots of cool aspects, but the majority of people you see using swords in a karate demo or tournament have no idea how to actually fight with one) Sorry for the rant, i've been chewing on that for a few days now...

*in my experience, you very rarely "block" in a swordfight. you either dodge altogether, which leaves your oppenent open for the brief moment they've extended to strike you, which gives you the chance to kill them. Or, you parry, which is not to block, but deflect the attck in such a way as to make an opening from which you can immediately attack. This attack is called the riposte (pronounced ruh-post or ree-post depending on who you talk to). Of course, this is mostly from my olympic style fencing experience, of which i practiced foil and epee, but really focused on sabre. I've only been taking kendo for the past 4 months or so & we're still working mainly on footwork and swinging the sword correctly. It's a very slow learning curve, like any sword art, and we probably won't begin thinking about the defense side of things for months to come.
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yeah but they look cool, and thats the best thing about them
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Not to take away from the seriousness of the topic at hand, because it is an important topic, but...I would have been happy if they'd killed every last character involved with the prequels at some point in ROTS. I hate those movies. Put the lame characters out of their non-misery. They suck. The movies sucked.
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Yeah, I never had a problem with the original duel from Star Wars, and I had no idea anybody else did until Lucas himself started complaining about it. It always made perfect sense to me in the way they were fighting. And the sequels just built on that and made it slightly more intense. But you get to the prequels, and it's all just crazy, especially the one in ROTS, which is another reason why that movie is becoming, to me, the worst prequel.

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See, the whole rehasing of the OT elements into the PT have ruined the logic of SW. Especially Anakin being from Tatooine; now when Luke is placed there, it makes either the Jedi or the Empire very stupid. In one way Vader could have easily killed Obiwan and taken Luke just by discovering a person named Skywalker there. On the other hand the Empire destroyed themselves by not attacking the Jedi if they were so conspicuous in Vader's mind after the purge. But they must have some red tape on Coruscant if it takes 19 years to build one death star and then only four to build a seond death star at 10 times the cost.
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Hahahah, I always thought the short duel from the original Star Wars was not only the most realistic, but the most dramatic. (Ok, Ben's twirl was like WTF, but I love it).

But the Ep. 1 duel looks real cool, and I can't deny that. Oh, not realistic?!?! Not a standard that I hold anything in the prequels to.

There is no way to fix them (although I've run over many things in my mind). They must simply be obliterated ... and I have no problem considering them either non-existent or not having anything to do with the real Star Wars. Lucas made that easy with such non-continuity conundrums as the Jedi Robe problem that BadAss pointed out in the O.P., and the retardness of Luke being "hidden" on obvious Tatooine (also smartly pointed out by BadAss)

Poor Alec Guiness. Saddled with all the continuity errors of George's feeble mind. Bad enough that he should be made a liar in the space between StarWars being made and Empire written, with all he said about Luke's father and Darth Vader suddenly becoming untrue. Sir Alec gives a masterful performance in that scene where he presents Luke with the lightsaber - - not a hint of lying in it.

But then the prequels make him out to be a retard on top of a liar, when he hides out on the most obvious planet in the galaxy wearing his jedi uniform. Bah, and double bah.



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See Obi Jeewhyen's post among others in this and other threads for many reasons that I'm beginning to like Firefly much, much more than Star Wars.

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Hehehe, Firefly is awesome.


And only ONE SEASON!! Ya know how when you like a show a lot and you go back and watch the first season and it's usually pathetic and weird and a mere shadow of the good thing it eventually became??

Well, that's what amazes me (and depresses me) about Firefly. An EXCELLENT first season ... and it freaks me out to think it may have been a mere shadow of what it might have eventually become.

(Le sigh)



Eh, but the movie's not bad. At least the TV show got an encore.




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Firefly. What a great WB show made poorly for the bigscreen.
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I thought Serenity was pretty good. I mean, I don't think it's as good as Firefly, as it loses some of the charm and western feel, and Shepherd Book's role was painfully small, it's still a very exciting and enjoyable film. But Randy is right in that the narrative does fit the small screen better. It's just too hard to encapsulate such a large plot into a one-hour and fifty-nine minute movie.

EDIT: It definitely works ten times better if you're already familiar with the show.

And only ONE SEASON!! Ya know how when you like a show a lot and you go back and watch the first season and it's usually pathetic and weird and a mere shadow of the good thing it eventually became??


Hell, it wasn't even a full season. It was only half a season, and it begs the question of what more could have been done. But, on the other hand, having only fourteen episodes makes each episode feel that much more important. If you had 150 episodes, then some of them (probably only a few) surely just would have felt like just another episode.

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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
You mean Fox show?


Sorry. Wrong shitty station.
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I hate to say it, but actually... Obi-Wan's old robes is one of the few things that were part of Lucas' original vision. An aged mentor "dressed in the robes of the old religion" is included in a couple of early drafts.
I would interpret the tan raw silk robe, obi and tabard that he wears underneath his brown wool cloak as the "Jedi dress" though, the brown woolen cloak as being a necessary dress for living on Tatooine.

I would have liked more japanese influences in the films...
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Good points about the robe and Tattooine, BAK. I love SW, especially the OUT, but I hate Tattooine. Too much screen time for an eyesore.

The overall pace of the PT is bad: nothing happens........nothing happens..........nothing happens.....(last 45 minutes of ROTS).......OMGeverythinghappensallofasuddenWTF?

It's funny - I have read or watched many different fan interpretations of the PT over the years, and a large majority of those interpretations are better than what Gorge Luca$ and Prick McSwallow worked up.



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Also, why did the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel have to be on a lava planet? You're watching the whole time wondering how the hell they both don't get roasted dead. Why not have it on a normal planet near a volcano? Darth Vader could still get dismembered and burn up in a nice place like Hawaii, they have live volcanoes there. But I guess the turmoil the galaxy is in just isn't clear enough to us dumb-ass viewers, so Luca$ has to have them fight in hell. Meanwhile, a 20-ton something or other falls into the lava, the lava splashed everywhere, but no one gets singed even a little. And neither super-skilled Force user thinks to cut the other guy's cable while they're swinging around. OK.

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I have to disagrre with you, Tattooine is my favorite planet.I love how simple the planet is compared to the other planets George has created. I also love how Tattooine is out in space sorta minding its on business and doing its own thing.


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Originally posted by: canofhumdingers
The Duel of the Fates ( which to this day I think is the greatest lightsaber fight on film. No CGI bull shit doubles or artsy glow stick dancing. ESB's the most dramatic, but for pure spectacle this is the king.)



Have to disagree with you here. i watched the TPM duel the other day for the first time in forever & i couldn't stand it. I've taken Olympic style fencing lessons for several years and recently started taking Kendo (japanese "samurai style" fencing) and Iaido (the art of drawing the sword and killing the antagonist, from an unassuming position - i.e. sitting on the floor eating a bowl of rice & someone attacks you). The TPM fight just made me cringe! Ewan McGreggor jumps off the ground EVERY time he blocks* a blow!!! You would NEVER do that! you'd get killed in a heartbeat! In fact, in kendo you never even allow your feet to cross (much less, leave the ground)! You keep you right foot forward & your left foot back in a very agressive stance. you move in an awkward(at first) way similar to how a child would run with a "stick pony" when playing cowboy. & you lift your feet just enough to be able to move them, effectively "gliding" across the ground. This is so that, when you run into your opponent, if you don't succeed at killing them, they can't knock you over when you run into each other. Having one foot forward & one back is a very stable/powerful position. if your feet are close together, or worse yet, in the air!!, you're a dead man. This doesn't even bring up the point of the ridiculous twirling baton lightsabers of the prequels! The OOT fights were at least reasonably believable as they were based on ACTUAL swordfighting techniques (& honetly, the ANH duel is probably most realistic). I'm a huge fan of swordfighting and can go a long way in forgiving the over-the-top fights from hollywood when they at least try to mimic something that you might actually do, but the prequels are just laughable. They remind me too much of the sword twirling you see at karate tournaments (not to knock karate, it has lots of cool aspects, but the majority of people you see using swords in a karate demo or tournament have no idea how to actually fight with one) Sorry for the rant, i've been chewing on that for a few days now...

*in my experience, you very rarely "block" in a swordfight. you either dodge altogether, which leaves your oppenent open for the brief moment they've extended to strike you, which gives you the chance to kill them. Or, you parry, which is not to block, but deflect the attck in such a way as to make an opening from which you can immediately attack. This attack is called the riposte (pronounced ruh-post or ree-post depending on who you talk to). Of course, this is mostly from my olympic style fencing experience, of which i practiced foil and epee, but really focused on sabre. I've only been taking kendo for the past 4 months or so & we're still working mainly on footwork and swinging the sword correctly. It's a very slow learning curve, like any sword art, and we probably won't begin thinking about the defense side of things for months to come.



Wow deja vu. about 5 years ago someone said pretty much the same thing to me about how unrealistic the fighting in the pt is compared to the Ot. I agreed to some extent as far as the bouncing weightless cgi doubles are concerned but the realistic enough fencing thing I think is pretty moot when we're talking about star wars with jedi flying all over the place. Vader throws his saber at luke in rotj; I doubt a swordsman who doesn't have force powers would do that in real life. It's of course supposed to be cool and spectacular rather than perfectly accurate. But The fighting in AotC is the worst of them all I have to say. You can just tell absolutely none of the jedi have had any real martial arts training with a weapon whatsover. And I don't know the first thing about fencing so I'm have no idea what to look for as far as wrong footing and such is concerned, It's just the beauty in the well coreographed and intense lightsaber duel I admire that really shows how the jedi fought in their prime. Reality's the last thing on my mind while watching star wars.
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i completely agree that the lightsaber duels should not be totally grounded in real sword fighting. As you say, it is, afterall, Star Wars. Not to mention lightsabers are unlike any type of sword ever made, opening the doors to all sorts of potential. add to this the fact that these are the weapons of Jedi, & you have the makings for some pretty fantastic fights. But that doesn't change the fact that there are some basic rules in close combat that are standard no matter what. one such example is, when you intend to block/deflect a powerful blow, you better be firmly planted or you're going to be dead.

I think ESB is a PERFECT example of a fantastic fight that, while completely impossible in the real world, is totally believable for the world presented on screen. The things they do make sense. when Luke is taking the full force of Vader's assault as he gets backed out onto the catwalk, he cowers down to get his center of gravity low to absorb the impact. He's certainly not jumping. While the techniques and moves are not textbook swordfighting, they (like many things in the OOT) have some basis in the world we actually live in which makes them familiar and acceptable, despite their fantastic nature. In fact, to me the ESB duel is a masterpiece of sorts just from a technical, stagecombat point of view. Anyone who's got some knowledge on the subject will quickly pick up on some subtleties (sp?) that are really neat. The way Luke fights shows an aggresive and courageous person with talent, but a severe lack of proper training/experience; which is exactly what his character is supposed to be at that point. Vader on the other hand is clealry a master and is in completle control of the fight the whole time. He overwhelms luke on a whim as he tries to intimidate luke into the dark side. But when luke begins to give in to his anger, vader backs off and takes the full brunt of luke's rage, clearly hoping he'll turn. It's also made clear that Vader's purpose is not to kill Luke, but to turn him as he has multiple opportunities to dispatch his son, but always hesitates just long enough, or swings just wide enough to allow Luke to escape certain death. & a moment that i love is, when Luke has one brilliant strike that actually lands, Vader immediately stops the fight by taking control once again and severing Lukes hand with the very next blow! To sum it up, luke is skillful, but unrefined; while vader is cool, powerful, and in total control. & i love that b/c, as anyone who has dueled someone far more skillful than themself can attest, it is incredibley intimidating when your opponent has clearly taken control of the fight and is working you into exactly the position they desire. & it's even more intimidating when they have done this, have the chance to beat you, but don't b/c they know they can keep you in that place and continue working you until you essentially defeat yourself.

Anyway, i've derailed this thread enough. maybe i'll start a new one to see if there's any interest to continue the topic
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I thought Serenity was pretty good. I mean, I don't think it's as good as Firefly, as it loses some of the charm and western feel, and Shepherd Book's role was painfully small, it's still a very exciting and enjoyable film. But Randy is right in that the narrative does fit the small screen better. It's just too hard to encapsulate such a large plot into a one-hour and fifty-nine minute movie.

EDIT: It definitely works ten times better if you're already familiar with the show.


I liked Serenity a lot. However, the actual tv show was many times better in most of the episodes. You had more of a feeling for the characters and the plots were down to earth and authentic in their values. I so wish the show's larger scale plot lines could have played out properly. The bastard at Fox who canceled the show should have given it a whole season's chance at the very least. I bet the finale would have hooked many people.

Otherwise, the main problem with the movie, if you ask me, is that it tried to do too much. It tried explaining crap that didn't need to be explained and tried to answer too many of the plot elements from the show. You can't do that and still have a good movie. There's very little cohesion.

I would have suggested to Whedon (who is a brilliant writer) that he forget about keeping things simple for newcomers and forget about the fans who wanted to see closure and just focus on making a great standalone story that exhibits the best of who the characters were and what they cared about. No stupid "agent" plotline or complicated stuff like that. He should have focused on the characters and how they lived their lives, just like in the show, and only throw in a few bones of the larger plotlines left hanging for the original fans at most. It would have been an anti-sci-fi sci-fi film, just like the show was anti-sci-fi sci-fi. It would have been sweet. Then, if the movie had been successful, the small bones of plot elements could have been expanded to provide closure in later films/shows. I don’t know.

Heh, the only tv-to-movie transition that has ever practiced my ideas (that I know of anyways) was Cowboy Bebop the movie. It was fantastic in every way. It didn't need to introduce any of the complicated back-story for the characters or large-scale plotlines. It was about its own, self-contained story. It was perfect way to translate the real feeling of the show.

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I totally disagree with the assertion that Anakin or the Skywalkers have to be completely disassociated from the planet Tatooine in a logical PT. In fact, I argue the opposite, and this is coming from someone who has re-written whole screenplays to EPI and II (III seems to be a perpetual work-in-progress). Why I disagree is that I tried every method I could to keep Anakin away from Tatooine and it simply couldn't be done!

The reason is this: Uncle Owen lives on Tatooine as if he has lived there his whole life. In the OT, Owen talks as though he tried to convince Anakin not to leave with Obi-wan on his "damn fool idealistic crusade". Anakin has to be either Owen's blood-brother, step-brother or half-brother for him to be referred to as 'Uncle' by Luke. The only other way is for Owen to simply be a surrogate Uncle, but in any case, he still knew Anakin personally, and possibly even maintained a close friendship with him. An interplanetary relationship on any of these levels is simply not possible for a moisture farmer on Tatooine, so for him to know any of the things he recalled in the OT without Anakin having lived there would be nothing short of amazing.

What I ended up doing with my EPI was to make Anakin a starship mechanic on Tatooine who was friends with Owen Lars. Owen would try to convince Anakin not to leave after Obi-wan finds him and offers to train him; and when Anakin 'dies', Obi-wan brings Luke back to Owen and Beru to care for him as surrogate Uncle and Aunt (sort of like a last duty to a friend).
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I thought Serenity was pretty good. I mean, I don't think it's as good as Firefly, as it loses some of the charm and western feel, and Shepherd Book's role was painfully small, it's still a very exciting and enjoyable film. But Randy is right in that the narrative does fit the small screen better. It's just too hard to encapsulate such a large plot into a one-hour and fifty-nine minute movie.

EDIT: It definitely works ten times better if you're already familiar with the show.


I liked Serenity a lot. However, the actual tv show was many times better in most of the episodes. You had more of a feeling for the characters and the plots were down to earth and authentic in their values. I so wish the show's larger scale plot lines could have played out properly. The bastard at Fox who canceled the show should have given it a whole season's chance at the very least. I bet the finale would have hooked many people.

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Part of me agrees and part of me doesn't. Like I said, Serenity loses part of its charm by not being simple. Suddenly the characters are stage center in a "fight to save the universe" kind of plotline rather than getting a job and staying out of trouble, which were some of the dichtoms that Joss Whedon mentioned on Firefly bonus materials. Plus, the sci-fi elements were much stronger than in the show. We have ion clouds, love bots, the Maidenhead bar. But I think it works as a movie. And it works even better for fans of the show, which is for whom this movie was made. I mean, I know it made me excited and nervous for the crew to suddenly be involved in matters that were much more important than you ever would have wanted them to be involved with. And this is a show that got pummeled before it could tell its story, so I think the fans were very much interested in having things resolved and explained. Yes, it would have been better had they not had to deal with all of that stuff, but I feel that it had to be done to wrap things up. And if the idiots at Fox hadn't cancelled it, then the story could have taken its time like it needed to be done. But I think it's a worthy trade-off.

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Originally posted by: TiptupHeh, the only tv-to-movie transition that has ever practiced my ideas (that I know of anyways) was Cowboy Bebop the movie. ... It was perfect way to translate the real feeling of the show.


Heheh, I think another perfect TV- to-movie translation was way-back-when with Star Trek: Wrath of Khan. The absolute essence of the TV show translated to the big screen, and never achieved again despite a slew of subsequent movies.

Interestingly, the New Beverly Theater here in L.A. is running "Wrath of Khan" and "Serenity" as a double feature later this month. I'm going.