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Originally posted by: Zion
It could be played back in stereo or Pro-Logic surround just like any other Pro-Logic audio source. A number of people here have already gone as far as upconverting that to 5.1 DD. Yes, but I don't know much about pre-DVD standard sound formats, my question is then if you've got a DVD player with a 5.1 output, will it (or the amp) automatically detect the sound as being Dolby Pro-Logic (which is pseudo-4.0, right?) and output it correctly (or as best as possible) to your 5.1 set-up?Originally posted by: THX
My feeling is you should not buy the Special Edition DVD under any circumstances (except as a way to get the OUT discs between Sept & Dec 2006).
Yes, well what I mean is if you expect 5.1 sound you should watch the special edition, not the theatrical edition - and if you expect the highest film grain removal, then you should watch the special edition, and if you expect to see a CGI Jabba in ANH and Hayden Christiansen as Anakin's ghost you should watch the special edition, rather then the theatrical edition. And the X0 is the theatrical laserdisc, and as Zion said that's what they intend to preserve, and so if you expect to watch the X0 you shouldn't expect it to have the highest film grain removal, or to have a 5.1 track, or to be including special edition changes like no more orange blob under the speeder. It's funny, because a lot of forum members want to cherry-pick some of the changes, and there are other projects that do that, like this one, for example.

So all I meant was that you have a choice, you can watch the 2004 version, the theatrical versions official dvd in september - and you can download the X0 version - once ready - and you can choose between the three which you want to watch.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: bindibadgi
I don't know if this is even possible, but if GL wanted to, surely he could arrange for some kind of seizure of stuff pending an investigation, and things might mysteriously disappear in the process, even if you guys were found to be acting quite within your rights.
If that happens, it'll be like a scene out of Hackers where they hide the disc somewhere safe where only they know where to look. In our version, it'll be a secret backup contingency plan, codenamed "bindibadgi" where those of us who escaped arrest will all pack up and meet at the designated rendezvous point somewhere in Asia where copyrights don't exist. We'll sell our own DVDs on the street to make ends meet, and put the LOOK discs to shame.

...or not.


Originally posted by: boris
Yes, but I don't know much about pre-DVD standard sound formats, my question is then if you've got a DVD player with a 5.1 output, will it (or the amp) automatically detect the sound as being Dolby Pro-Logic (which is pseudo-4.0, right?) and output it correctly (or as best as possible) to your 5.1 set-up?

Even if your DVD player is hooked up with digital audio cable, your amp will detect the audio as pro-logic and play it however you've set up your amp to play that format. Some will automatically play it back in Pro-logic surround (stereo with matrixed center and surround channels), and some will play it back in stereo (mine automatically switches to THX Cinema surround mode whenever 5.1 or pro-logic plays). Either way, switching between the different sound modes is easy.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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lol. I thought you would have it under control.

I'll go back to my conspiracy theories now ...
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Zion:

I think PCM would sound fantastic, and a mono track on ANH would be a treat as well. My question concerns the extra dialogue in ANH (C3PO's tractor beam info, Stormtrooper's "Close the blast door" line, etc.). Considering most, if not all, of those bits of dialogue are found on the SE laserdiscs, would it be possible to splice them into the audio you're working on? As far as mono goes, what about taking that completed track and remixing it to a single channel? I'm intently curious about this.

GREAT X0 starfield recovery comparison photo in that other thread, BTW.
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Zion, THX: Thanks for your clarification on the different sound mixes and preservation efforts. I knew there were a number of mixes (the mono, 70mm, 35mm, etc.-- my father was an assistant mgr at a theatre in 1977 and in fact still has a copy of the 70mm stereo mix he ripped straight to cassettes ) but did not know of that many efforts being made, beyond the mono mix, to clean and restore them.

Going off on a slight tangent here, is the X0 DVD really the appropriate place to consider including as many audio mixes as possible? Seems to me that would leave less data that could be better used for encoding the video. I know that before this project got off the ground Zion had his own personal project that had multiple mixes as a planned feature-- would a project like that be more appropriate for including such "extras" like multiple mixes and the like? Unless the laserdiscs themselves contained multiple audio mixes... again, correct me if I'm wrong as I do not own nor have seen the actual laserdiscs myself.
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Sorry if it's already been covered, but the comparison shots of Sebastian Shaw got me thinking. Was much consideration given to using a PAL laserdisc as source, or is there just not a good enough PAL player? I'm not just thinking of the ~54 extra lines, but also of the slimey green cast you get on NTSC LD - will there be any attempt to correct that?

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I'm no expert DE, but if I remember correctly I think Zion said that it was because an LD player comparable to the NTSC X0 for PAL was just not available.

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Is the REAL Mono mix out there, or is it locked away in the Lucashfilm vault?
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I'm finally back!

I believe Niel S Bulk's FLAC file is the actual mono, and I know of someone else trying to get a new copy of it as well.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Originally posted by: blitter
my father was an assistant mgr at a theatre in 1977 and in fact still has a copy of the 70mm stereo mix he ripped straight to cassettes
When you say "ripped straight to cassettes," what do you mean exactly?

(maybe we should take this to another thread)

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Originally posted by: Zion
If that happens, it'll be like a scene out of Hackers where they hide the disc somewhere safe where only they know where to look.


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//sigh...I remember upgrading from 14.4 to 28.8. I thought that was the cat's meow. Those were the days.........

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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SETEC ASTRONOMY... TOO MANY SECRETS.

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ROTFLMAO

That just reminded me....as my family was driving back through Arizona to California, we got hit by some pretty hard rainfall.

Guess what just happened to start playing on XM Radio? Queen's "Flash Gordon" Theme.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: bindibadgi
I don't mean to try to teach anyone to suck eggs or anything (and I'm not trying to call you my grandmother either ) but just in case GL's idea with this Sep release is to clamp down on bootlegs, he may try to shut this project down. If he does, I hope you have sufficient backups offsite so that any "seizure" in any event would not provide an opportunity for all your hard work to be destroyed.

I don't know if this is even possible, but if GL wanted to, surely he could arrange for some kind of seizure of stuff pending an investigation, and things might mysteriously disappear in the process, even if you guys were found to be acting quite within your rights.

I really am cynical aren't I?


So what's stopping us from dressing up like Ninja's and storming LFL and seizing the original (if any) film elements? Lucas has lined his pockets plenty over the years from all of us, so from a certain point of view we OWN Star Wars. I don't give a shit what the law says - when we've pumped enough money into the machine we should have some inalienable right of ownership.

Godspeed X0, ask me if you want - I have a secret place where I hid all of my buried Pirate treasure! Darr....
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
ROTFLMAO

That just reminded me....as my family was driving back through Arizona to California, we got hit by some pretty hard rainfall.

Guess what just happened to start playing on XM Radio? Queen's "Flash Gordon" Theme.


FLASH! AH-AH!

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Originally posted by: TheCassidy


So what's stopping us from dressing up like Ninja's and storming LFL and seizing the original (if any) film elements? Lucas has lined his pockets plenty over the years from all of us, so from a certain point of view we OWN Star Wars. I don't give a shit what the law says - when we've pumped enough money into the machine we should have some inalienable right of ownership.

"So what's stopping us from dressing up like Ninja's and storming LFL and seizing the original (if any) film elements?" How about the fact that that's crazy...I am 38 years old and don't play "dress up" anymore....( yeah I know...I had a little sister, what's a big brother gonna do...).....and oh yeah, I don't want to be shot by the police when they come blazing up to the GL mansion.....

You are scaring me. This is the type of nonsense that is ruining this site... It makes us sound like a bunch of psychotic deranged fans....Please be serious....

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Originally posted by: vbangle
Originally posted by: TheCassidy


So what's stopping us from dressing up like Ninja's and storming LFL and seizing the original (if any) film elements? Lucas has lined his pockets plenty over the years from all of us, so from a certain point of view we OWN Star Wars. I don't give a shit what the law says - when we've pumped enough money into the machine we should have some inalienable right of ownership.

"So what's stopping us from dressing up like Ninja's and storming LFL and seizing the original (if any) film elements?" How about the fact that that's crazy...I am 38 years old and don't play "dress up" anymore....( yeah I know...I had a little sister, what's a big brother gonna do...).....and oh yeah, I don't want to be shot by the police when they come blazing up to the GL mansion.....

You are scaring me. This is the type of nonsense that is ruining this site... It makes us sound like a bunch of psychotic deranged fans....Please be serious....


Oh quit taking yourself so seriously - it's a joke you mouthbreather.
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Originally posted by: boba feta
I'm no expert DE, but if I remember correctly I think Zion said that it was because an LD player comparable to the NTSC X0 for PAL was just not available.

Isn't it also true that a LD set equivalent in quality to the NTSC "Definitive" or "Faces" sets, was never released in the PAL format?

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Oh I don't know about that. Moth3r got some very respectable results using the French 1995 THX PAL LaserDisc set.

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THX versions with the same John Alvin cover art were released in 1995 in Japan (NTSC-J), Hong Kong (NTSC), France (PAL), Germany (PAL), and Spain (PAL).
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Isn't it also true that a LD set equivalent in quality to the NTSC "Definitive" or "Faces" sets, was never released in the PAL format?


The '95 PAL releases are better than the Faces set, but the DC is much sharper than both. The PAL discs have some advantages though, despite being less sharp. The starfields as a key example.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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I thought the "faces" set had the same picture as the DC set. Are you talking about the fact that the "faces" set was CLV and the DC set was CAV? I know CAV is supposed to have a slightly better picture in some cases, but I have both sets and I honestly don't see a difference, aside from the fact that some of my DC discs are slowly starting to develop laser-rot (that particular set is notorious for that), which the "faces" discs aren't.

FWIW, I found this on the Laser Guru site:

Q:"I was hoping you could educate me a bit on PAL laserdiscs.

Was there a THX widescreen release of the original SW Trilogy in PAL, similar to the "faces" set here in the US? Or alternately the CAV Definitive Collection?

If so, what LD players can handle PAL format discs? Only those built for the UK/etc market, or is this latent capability present in US players (assuming you have a display that could handle the PAL output)? I have seen models like the D515, or CLD-959 that claim to do both NTSC and PAL. If US players can't do it, what UK model would be equivalent in PQ to at least a D703/704?"

A:" There were some PAL laserdisc releases for the Star Wars movies , including a Special Edition box set. Sadly, no Definitive Collection or "Faces" editions......

To play a PAL laserdisc, you need a European-model laserdisc player. Such a player will only output the signal as raw PAL, and will not convert to NTSC. US-model LD players will not recognize or play a PAL disc at all.

Unfortunately, the PAL laserdisc market was miniscule, even in comparison to the tiny US market for LDs. Even the best PAL laserdisc players only approach the quality of our mid-level models such as the CLD-D606. The discs themselves tended to be poorly mastered, often converted from NTSC video transfers. Even with the few extra lines of resolution that PAL affords, it is rare to find a PAL laserdisc that looks as good as its NTSC counterpart. As a rule, it's not worth the effort for someone in the US to acquire PAL laserdisc equipment."

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All fine in theory, but Moth3r's transfers are the sharpest around.
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I don't think it's solely the fact that the Faces set is CLV, that is responsible for the lower image quality. Though I wouldn't know exactly what is. So you have them yourself, don't you notice any difference?

It's true what is said about the PAL players, so that's another reason to go for NTSC.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.