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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If the movie hadn't sucked, I think we might have forgiven the rubber nipples eventually.

According to most of the people I know, the rubber nipples are the reason that the movie sucked.

SR is currently up to $178 million dollars.

From IMDB 7/26/2006 -

Director Bryan Singer has acknowledged that the less-than-stellar performance of Superman Returns has made prospects for another Man of Steel sequel a bit "iffy." The Associated Press quotes him as saying, "We haven't concluded a deal," but if a sequel gets a green light from Warner Bros, "the intention is to do it for [release in] 2009." Separately, Singer told Britain's Empire magazine, "Now that the character is established, I'd like to take the opportunity to bring in a more threatening element, a more terrible, foreboding element." Superman Returns, starring Kevin Spacey, Brandon Routh, and Kate Bosworth, has taken in $178 million at the domestic box office, below such other summer hits as The Da Vinci Code, X-Men: The Last Stand, Cars, and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

According to most of the people I know, the rubber nipples are the reason that the movie sucked.

SR is currently up to $178 million dollars.



I thought the crummy plot, obsession with neon, and too many butt shots had something to do with it as well.

As for the Superman Returns sequel, I'm sorry to hear that it may not happen. For all my dislike of many of the elements of Superman Returns, It has been years since we've seen Superman in the theatres in any form. Now it may be another 20+ years or more until someone decides to try again with Superman. As a Superman fan, I'm sorry to think that may be the case.
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With the number of perfectly good graphic novels for Superman ON HAND, it is beyond CRIMINAL that a great new original Superman film cannot be made.

Birthright, Superman for All Seasons, or even Red Son and Secret Identity should be almost ported directly over. Take the comic book scripts, let the writers co-direct and cast, and get on with it!
MTFBWY. Always.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If the movie hadn't sucked, I think we might have forgiven the rubber nipples eventually.

According to most of the people I know, the rubber nipples are the reason that the movie sucked.

SR is currently up to $178 million dollars.

From IMDB 7/26/2006 -

Director Bryan Singer has acknowledged that the less-than-stellar performance of Superman Returns has made prospects for another Man of Steel sequel a bit "iffy." The Associated Press quotes him as saying, "We haven't concluded a deal," but if a sequel gets a green light from Warner Bros, "the intention is to do it for [release in] 2009." Separately, Singer told Britain's Empire magazine, "Now that the character is established, I'd like to take the opportunity to bring in a more threatening element, a more terrible, foreboding element." Superman Returns, starring Kevin Spacey, Brandon Routh, and Kate Bosworth, has taken in $178 million at the domestic box office, below such other summer hits as The Da Vinci Code, X-Men: The Last Stand, Cars, and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.


Domestically or worldwide? What about merchandising? It'd be a shame if Singer's Superman isn't given a chance to grow. As he proved with X2, when he's given something to build upon Singer can really run with it. Ah well. Such is life, I suppose.

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As a fan of SR, that's terrible news. I want to see Singer's Superman develop, and I was hoping for a 'bigger' movie next time: eg. some other villain not Lex

War does not make one great.

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$178 is the domestic haul. An additional $110 is the non-U.S. box office to date.

I think everybody wanted a bigger box office. Then again, everybody wanted a better picture. I've said I thought the movie was very good, but not great, and far from perfect. I think the box office reflects this very well. $178 is certainly good, but not great.

On a related subject: I've been mixing it up with some forum members at JWFan.net who are claiming that Richard Donner was not involved in the 2001 cut of S:TM. I find it laughable when one article gets cited with an out-of-context quote describing Richard Donner's surprise about the changes in the sound mix, when the very same article and a related article describes over and over his involvement with the project.

Am I wrong for getting annoyed at people who quote out of context for their own purposes and mislead others who aren't diligent enough to do their own follow-up?
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Originally posted by: ADigitalManAm I wrong for getting annoyed at people who quote out of context for their own purposes and mislead others who aren't diligent enough to do their own follow-up?



Absolutely not.

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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

According to most of the people I know, the rubber nipples are the reason that the movie sucked.

SR is currently up to $178 million dollars.



I thought the crummy plot, obsession with neon, and too many butt shots had something to do with it as well.

As for the Superman Returns sequel, I'm sorry to hear that it may not happen. For all my dislike of many of the elements of Superman Returns, It has been years since we've seen Superman in the theatres in any form. Now it may be another 20+ years or more until someone decides to try again with Superman. As a Superman fan, I'm sorry to think that may be the case.


To quote Sidney J. Furie, who had the misfortune of directing Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - "The truth is, whether your film is about the great mythological character you have to do right, or it's a little movie that nobody ever heard of, you still approach it like it's the most important thing in the world. But failing goes with the territory. Filmmakers are like gunslingers, and you don't win every duel."

On the same note, which do you think was worse - Superman III or Superman IV? For me it's a bit of a draw as they are both pretty poor and both waste ideas that could have made for fascinating films - #3 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman turned evil and #4 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman decided to tackle a political issue as global as the nuclear warfare issue. #3 had the lovely Annette O'Toole, good special effects and a crappy plot, #4 had the lovely Mariel Hemmingway, a slightly better story and crappy special effects. What say you all?
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I do think they can be edited together into one film. I'll give it a shot when the new boxed set comes out. I've been toying with credits this week. Does anybody have any DVD-quality stock video of flying through the stars without any other garbage in the picture like credits or ships or other distractions? Something like the clips on this page?
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana JonesTo quote Sidney J. Furie, who had the misfortune of directing Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - "The truth is, whether your film is about the great mythological character you have to do right, or it's a little movie that nobody ever heard of, you still approach it like it's the most important thing in the world. But failing goes with the territory. Filmmakers are like gunslingers, and you don't win every duel."

On the same note, which do you think was worse - Superman III or Superman IV? For me it's a bit of a draw as they are both pretty poor and both waste ideas that could have made for fascinating films - #3 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman turned evil and #4 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman decided to tackle a political issue as global as the nuclear warfare issue. #3 had the lovely Annette O'Toole, good special effects and a crappy plot, #4 had the lovely Mariel Hemmingway, a slightly better story and crappy special effects. What say you all?


I personally liked 3 better than 4, but only because I'm probably the only person in the world who thought that Ross Webster was an interesting villian. Sort of like the comic's current version of Lex Luthor as a cold-hearted, ruthless businessman. But it did have a very long, dull, and overly drawn out plot and not much of any importance happens for most of the film. I can forgive the special effects of 4, but just the overall production values of the film seem cheap. I didn't really think Nuclear Man was that good of a villian. Hackman did a good job as Luthor, as usual, but his nephew, who's name I can't remember right now, was just irritating and too over the top stupid. Overall, Superman 4 seemed to be too much of a rehash of the earlier films for me to really think it was that good. But choosing between the two isn't as much which one is better, but which one is not as bad as the other one.
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana JonesTo quote Sidney J. Furie, who had the misfortune of directing Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - "The truth is, whether your film is about the great mythological character you have to do right, or it's a little movie that nobody ever heard of, you still approach it like it's the most important thing in the world. But failing goes with the territory. Filmmakers are like gunslingers, and you don't win every duel."

On the same note, which do you think was worse - Superman III or Superman IV? For me it's a bit of a draw as they are both pretty poor and both waste ideas that could have made for fascinating films - #3 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman turned evil and #4 wasted the idea of what would happen if Superman decided to tackle a political issue as global as the nuclear warfare issue. #3 had the lovely Annette O'Toole, good special effects and a crappy plot, #4 had the lovely Mariel Hemmingway, a slightly better story and crappy special effects. What say you all?


I personally liked 3 better than 4, but only because I'm probably the only person in the world who thought that Ross Webster was an interesting villian. Sort of like the comic's current version of Lex Luthor as a cold-hearted, ruthless businessman. But it did have a very long, dull, and overly drawn out plot and not much of any importance happens for most of the film. I can forgive the special effects of 4, but just the overall production values of the film seem cheap. I didn't really think Nuclear Man was that good of a villian. Hackman did a good job as Luthor, as usual, but his nephew, who's name I can't remember right now, was just irritating and too over the top stupid. Overall, Superman 4 seemed to be too much of a rehash of the earlier films for me to really think it was that good. But choosing between the two isn't as much which one is better, but which one is not as bad as the other one.


Fair enough.

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'Supergirl'....

good, bad.... who cares- she was HOT!
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SIII had good scenes in an ultimately flawed film. SIV pretty much just sucked.
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Yup, and the best thing about Superman IV was Mariel Hemingway's legs.
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I liked the "bad Superman" stuff and the Lana/Smallville stuff in III. I can't remember anything I liked about IV.
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they are both equally terrible.
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Originally posted by: THX
SIII had good scenes in an ultimately flawed film. SIV pretty much just sucked.


4 had two good moments - Superman talking to the ghosts of Krypton, and Superman straightening the USA flag on the moon. Despite how crappy the moon set was and how fake the weightless flag looked, the look of pride on Chris Reeve's face as he straigthened the flag was Superman incarnate.
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
SUPERMAN 3 WAS A RICHARD PRYOR MOVIE WITH A SUPER HERO.

Sounds about right.

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SUPERMAN: "Take that, Bryan Singer!"
DARKSEID: "Ow! Wait - Bryan Singer? Who is this 'Bryan Singer' you speak of?"
SUPERMAN: "Oh sorry dude, I was thinking of someone else.

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WONDER WOMAN: "We know you hate what he did to your new movie, but calm down!"
SUPERMAN: "Bryan... Singer... must... die!"
MARTIAN MANHUNTER: "No my friend! You do not want his death on your hands! And besides, at least you've got a new movie ya ungrateful bastard!"

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
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That's disturbing.
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