Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
I was using the term to highlight what, for me, is one of the most sickening introductions into the SW saga of blatant hijacking of Christian symbolism. I agree that it is totally inappropriate. But Luca$h put it in there, not me. I used the term to mean 'conception without sexual intercourse'.
Then you are using the term incorrectly. It would be like me using the term "star destroyer" to describe what the Emperor was building over the Sanctuary Moon of Endor. Yes, it belongs to the technical vocabulary of Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it describes the Star Wars notion that I think it does.
Probably. Or maybe he just didn't want to bother with a real Skywalker family history going back further than Anakin. I suspect there's some truth in both.
I was not intending to be reckless with the term and did not want to give offence to any Christian members, okay?
I was using the term to highlight what, for me, is one of the most sickening introductions into the SW saga of blatant hijacking of Christian symbolism. I agree that it is totally inappropriate. But Luca$h put it in there, not me. I used the term to mean 'conception without sexual intercourse'.
Then you are using the term incorrectly. It would be like me using the term "star destroyer" to describe what the Emperor was building over the Sanctuary Moon of Endor. Yes, it belongs to the technical vocabulary of Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it describes the Star Wars notion that I think it does.
If that's not how you understand the term then fair enough.
It's not a matter of my understanding, it's a matter of universal denotation and exacting definition by an authoritative source.
But the term you chose derives directly from the concept of sin and is meaningless without that concept. If you seek some concept that does not relate to sin, you would be well advised to choose your words more carefully. "Virgin birth" is the obvious choice; although Schmi probably wasn't a virgin, the parallel to Christianity is correct. "Parthenogenesis" might also work.
I am suggesting that Luca$h was stupid enough to think that it would be really moving to have Anakin be conceived in a way guaranteed to remind most viewers of the conception of Jesus Christ. He, presumably, did this to try to tie the 'midichlorian' bollocks in with the 'Anakin as saviour of the universe' bollocks that he's tried to shoehorn in to the saga...
It's not a matter of my understanding, it's a matter of universal denotation and exacting definition by an authoritative source.
I am not suggesting that concepts of sin should be applied when considering the SW universe.
But the term you chose derives directly from the concept of sin and is meaningless without that concept. If you seek some concept that does not relate to sin, you would be well advised to choose your words more carefully. "Virgin birth" is the obvious choice; although Schmi probably wasn't a virgin, the parallel to Christianity is correct. "Parthenogenesis" might also work.
I am suggesting that Luca$h was stupid enough to think that it would be really moving to have Anakin be conceived in a way guaranteed to remind most viewers of the conception of Jesus Christ. He, presumably, did this to try to tie the 'midichlorian' bollocks in with the 'Anakin as saviour of the universe' bollocks that he's tried to shoehorn in to the saga...
Probably. Or maybe he just didn't want to bother with a real Skywalker family history going back further than Anakin. I suspect there's some truth in both.
I was not intending to be reckless with the term and did not want to give offence to any Christian members, okay?
Fair enough. I don't even believe in the Immaculate Conception. But there's no reason to go around raping the language.
And I'm surprised so few people have brought that up as a possible origin for little Ani.