Originally posted by: Whiners
You know, I'm sick of people saying this crap about contradictions. Okay, I will explain every contradiction I've heard about, and why it's not contradicting, and if there are any I left out, then go ahead and tell me what I did leave out and I will explain that.
Well, how kind of you, Mr. All-Knowing and All-Seeing. There's no need to be condescending, alright?
But he is the Jedi! He knew his wife was pregnant! He knew it was against the code. I'm not sure how this argument of yours makes any sense. Once again, I've never said that scene contradicts anything in lieu of the prequels. It was just totally unnecessary and contradicts things within its own movie.
"Jedi Rocks" being a song about Jedi after the extermination: Jabba knows about Jedi. Remember when he tells Bib that he was fooled about a Jedi mind trick? Jabba's lair is very secretive, there are absolutely no imperials there. So why not sing a song about Jedi? Now if Jedi Rocks was played in a cantina or something, that'd be a different story. Also note that even if there were stormtroopers there, they probably don't even know what Jedi are either, nor that they are supposed to be extinct. That's something only people who lived during the prequel trilogy would know.
You know, I'm sick of people saying this crap about contradictions. Okay, I will explain every contradiction I've heard about, and why it's not contradicting, and if there are any I left out, then go ahead and tell me what I did leave out and I will explain that.
Well, how kind of you, Mr. All-Knowing and All-Seeing. There's no need to be condescending, alright?
Obi-Wan saying that he had two pupils, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader: He said this in order to make the tale sound more dramatic to Luke and the audience, claiming that Darth Vader was a different pupil of his, showing that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker knew each other.
Obi-Wan not telling Luke his father was Vader: Okay, ever since the prequel trilogy, many mentally retarded people have been asking this for some odd reason. It was a fucking secret, they're not going to change that just because the prequel trilogy came out and not let Luke know his father was Vader.
Honestly, I agree with you. I never considered that to be a contradiction caused by the prequels. So your point is moot to me.
Not necessarily a contradiction, but did you ever think that maybe Qui-Gon was a pretty useless character to begin with? The contradiction lies in that Qui-Gon's character is suspiciously like how Ben described himself in the original movies. You know, impressed at Anakin's flying skills and his strength with the Force? Hmm, in TPM, it seemed that Qui-Gon thought all that, and Obi-Wan thought he was a dangerous, pathetic lifeform and only decided to train him when his dying master guilt tripped him into it. Also, and this is just my personal opinion, but Padawan is a stupid word. As are Youngling and Dooku.
The new emporer scene: Have you ever thought maybe Vader asks "how is this possible" because he's just in disbelief that a Jedi gave birth when it's against the Jedi code? I'd be surprised too.
Obi-Wan not telling Luke his father was Vader: Okay, ever since the prequel trilogy, many mentally retarded people have been asking this for some odd reason. It was a fucking secret, they're not going to change that just because the prequel trilogy came out and not let Luke know his father was Vader.
Honestly, I agree with you. I never considered that to be a contradiction caused by the prequels. So your point is moot to me.
Obi-Wan claiming he was trained by Yoda and not Qui-Gon: Why exactly would Luke need to know about Qui-Gon? He's in the snow, he's trying his best to stay alive, why would Obi-Wan say "Run to Dagobah, and find master Yoda. Oh and Qui-Gon taught me as a padawan."
Not necessarily a contradiction, but did you ever think that maybe Qui-Gon was a pretty useless character to begin with? The contradiction lies in that Qui-Gon's character is suspiciously like how Ben described himself in the original movies. You know, impressed at Anakin's flying skills and his strength with the Force? Hmm, in TPM, it seemed that Qui-Gon thought all that, and Obi-Wan thought he was a dangerous, pathetic lifeform and only decided to train him when his dying master guilt tripped him into it. Also, and this is just my personal opinion, but Padawan is a stupid word. As are Youngling and Dooku.
The new emporer scene: Have you ever thought maybe Vader asks "how is this possible" because he's just in disbelief that a Jedi gave birth when it's against the Jedi code? I'd be surprised too.
But he is the Jedi! He knew his wife was pregnant! He knew it was against the code. I'm not sure how this argument of yours makes any sense. Once again, I've never said that scene contradicts anything in lieu of the prequels. It was just totally unnecessary and contradicts things within its own movie.
"Jedi Rocks" being a song about Jedi after the extermination: Jabba knows about Jedi. Remember when he tells Bib that he was fooled about a Jedi mind trick? Jabba's lair is very secretive, there are absolutely no imperials there. So why not sing a song about Jedi? Now if Jedi Rocks was played in a cantina or something, that'd be a different story. Also note that even if there were stormtroopers there, they probably don't even know what Jedi are either, nor that they are supposed to be extinct. That's something only people who lived during the prequel trilogy would know.
First of all, I really don't know this. Perhaps you do. Is "Jedi Rocks" really a song about Jedi in the first place, or is that just what it was named in the real world? Personally, I don't find anything contradictory about this. It's just a damned stupid song and a completely unnecessary change.
So most of the "contradictory" points you brought up... aren't really contradictory at all. You can try again if you want to unless you want me to help.