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"It can't. But we are meant to think it can. "

LOL...Nice one.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Number20
[SARCASM]I feel so much better. A Lucasfilm employee has reassured us that the transfer is the best ever. [/SARCASM]

So true.
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"I assume he meant he's never seen such a great looking NON-ANAMORPHIC transfer of a movie.... honestly Lucasfilm's handling of this release just defies belief!!!"

No one's willing to admit that the Emperor has no clothes. (That works on quite a few levels. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"It can't. But we are meant to think it can. "

LOL...Nice one.

Thanks .

What's this I hear in many threads about Hamill and Kurtz ripping on Lucas in the press, is this recent about the dvd's or just about the special edition?


It is about the special edition as a whole, but I think that, with these DVDs, the whole situation has been blown wide open and Lucas is really shooting himself in the foot. Of course, he is so powerful that it doesn't matter, but hopefully, other billionares could pressure him. At this point, I don't know whether to hope or not. The Digital Bits have posted, with help from Robert A. Harris, a series or reasons why LFLs repreated statements that this is the best they can do are, pardon my language, in a word, bullshit. Hammill simply said that the SEs lacked the charm of the originals, but Kurtz really ripped Lucas a new one. Not that I blame him, as he was heavily involved with films that were changed. Both interviews are linked to on this site. I want to think that this release is a sign of things to come and that Lucas is finally softening, what with the simple fact that it is being released and that Lucas really seemed to be aiming to please with the PG-13 ROTS. But with him, I don't know what to think anymore. He doesn't care what anyone thinks, and I don't know if anyone can change his mind. But I hope that I am wrong.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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but Kurtz really ripped Lucas a new one.


I'd like to see a transcript of that.

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Originally posted by: Blackjack
but Kurtz really ripped Lucas a new one.


I'd like to see a transcript of that.

here

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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut

Interestingly I've always preferred the 1989 LD release, complete with 1985 sound mix.



Was that the one with the "bubbles" in Luke's lightsaber training scene on the Falcon?

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I was looking for that thread on MF boards earlier today, and couldn't find it.

Is there any possible truth in the claims that he won't release a decent stand alone version of the OOT because of licensing and/or ex-wife issues?
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I wondered that too. I just keep hoping and hoping that we'll see a proper version in the 30th boxed set, and am probably going to have my heart broken if (and when) we don't see them there. I'm just starting to wonder if there is ever a chance that we'll see a proper release of the OOT before I die.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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The ex-wife stuff is total bullshit.

Lucas bought the rights from Fox in 1996 in negotiations for their distribution of the prequels.
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I can't see lucas' wife playing a big role in this either, but anything is possible.


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Hmm, I thought he bought the rights back to the first movie long before that. I guess I'm confused.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I have no idea if there is any strength to those explanations or not, but if there were, how would him purchasing the rights from Fox affect either one of those claims? If she was entitled to a certain percentage of the income he obtains thru profits from the films he made while with her, I wouldn't think it would matter if he owns them or Fox owns them. Then again, I'm not a lawyer and have had zero experience with divorce personally, let alone divorce in the US.

Ohh, and the latest from TheDigitalBits.com:



By the way, I've learned that our very own Russell Hammond was at the Star Wars panel at Comic-Con on Friday, and his reaction was much like the others we've heard who saw the DVD clips. Apparently, Lucasfilm went to a lot of trouble to first show a doctored clip (supposedly from the DVDs) designed to look deliberately bad - something that they'd spent money to actually create! - in order to make light of the criticisms we at The Bits and MANY others have leveled on the forthcoming DVDs' quality shortcomings, and in order to make the actual DVD clips look somewhat better by comparison. In fact, Russell says that Sansweet's comments (that we posted earlier) were made right before showing the deliberately bad looking clips, as a way of playing up the joke. THEN he played the actual clips from the DVDs, and according to Russell, "It looked like crap too!" (Russell's exact words, spoken in an outraged tone to me this morning over the phone.) In other words, it looked exactly like we figured it would... soft, washed out, lacking in contrast and detail, etc... exactly what you'd expect from 15-year-old, non-anamorphic laserdisc transfers gussied up for DVD and blown up on a big screen. I'd like to refer you all to a lengthy post we made here at The Bits in May, which remains our definitive statement on this issue. In it, we point-for-point refute every single argument that Lucasfilm has made as to why this is the "best they can do." It was written by myself, along with our own Robert A. Harris, who is one of the foremost film restoration experts in the industry. I think you'll find it interesting reading, and we stand by it 100%. By the way, you'll find more fan complaints about the new DVDs here at OriginalTrilogy.com and a funny bit here at MSNBC.





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Originally posted by: Mike O
I want to think that this release is a sign of things to come and that Lucas is finally softening, what with the simple fact that it is being released and that Lucas really seemed to be aiming to please with the PG-13 ROTS. But with him, I don't know what to think anymore. He doesn't care what anyone thinks, and I don't know if anyone can change his mind. But I hope that I am wrong.


Perhaps George Lucas' greatest feature is his insecurity. On the one hand it causes him to seek approval from others and be a rather private person. On the other hand it causes him to be very stubborn and controlling since he doesn't like facing the fact that he might make mistakes. It's sad since he seems like an okay guy otherwise.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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On the "issue" of the "interlacing artifacts", it is possible to create this effect simply by not setting up your DVD player correctly for its display. I sincerely doubt that the DVDs will contain constant visible "combing."
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How can he call it a 30th anniversary set, when the films contained therein are only as recent as 10 years or less, considering the tinkering? Oh well. it's not worth it to wonder. He'll call it that anyway.
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I feel sorry for Steve Sansweet sometimes. His job isn't as easy as it used to be, he's lucky he's usually addressing a friendly crowd, but even though it gets a little rough especially lately.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
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Originally posted by: THX
On the "issue" of the "interlacing artifacts", it is possible to create this effect simply by not setting up your DVD player correctly for its display. I sincerely doubt that the DVDs will contain constant visible "combing."


Yeah, I get that combing effect when I play homemade DVDs on my computer- but my computer is 6 years old. I'm sure a better de-interlacing chip would be able to handle my DVD-R material and these new OOT DVDs without producing that combing effect.

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Originally posted by: THX
On the "issue" of the "interlacing artifacts", it is possible to create this effect simply by not setting up your DVD player correctly for its display. I sincerely doubt that the DVDs will contain constant visible "combing."


Still, if the video source is interlaced, would that not result in less image data being preserved on the DVD master than with a progressive source?

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: THX
On the "issue" of the "interlacing artifacts", it is possible to create this effect simply by not setting up your DVD player correctly for its display. I sincerely doubt that the DVDs will contain constant visible "combing."


Still, if the video source is interlaced, would that not result in less image data being preserved on the DVD master than with a progressive source?


If I'm not mistaken, the lower frame rate of progressive means more disk space and thus higher bit rate, so yes.
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Yes. But I can't see them going through the IVTC process with all the known cadence changes. I'm guessing it'll be encoded interlaced.
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What is this about Lucas keeping prints of the original versions for himself? That makes absolutely no logical sense. If he doesn't want any copies of the originals to exist, why is he keeping them? Why does he have them? Why did Darth Fist give information about the upcoming releae involving a new transfer, and then...well, we know what happened. Something isn't right here. "This is an attempt to sell the SEs individually. The OOT is just bonus material." "Buy the originals for the first time on DVD." Both statements from LFL. Something just doesn't make sense.

"The Return of Darth Vader" thing? That whole things seemed to exist to promote ROTS. And all of the features on the DVD are about the OOT, not the SEs. Including anamorphic footage from them. Is there something going on that we don't know about? Does Lucas have two personalities? What the hell is going on?

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Darth First said that he was under the impression that some restoration work had been done to the new OUT release. From LFL's point of view - according to Steve Sansweet at SDCC - there has been extensive cleaning and color correction done to it. The catch is that it was done in 1993 and we've already seen it as the Definitive Collection laserdisc set. If you've been reading over at MF.com, you also know that insider HB said, "Hunt is 100% correct - these are the 93 LD masters and non-anamorphic," also mentioning that they have gone with cheaper vendors and even the menus on the bonus discs are static.

If Lucas still holds original negatives/prints/whatever of the original films, nobody really knows for sure. Just like people say that they went to great lengths to destroy all prints of the original films that were released. One could probably make a case that either one of those statements is false, or that both of them are true. The truth is, we don't know what still exists in the "Lucasfilm archives" or in the hands of Lucas himself.

He could have 4k scans of the original films sitting around collecting dust for all we know. I remember hearing a report back in 2001-2002 that they had already begun digitally transfering the original film negatives. But again, who knows if that is true.

All I know for sure is that most of the people here are going to be dissapointed with the OUT release, no matter if they're interlaced and single layer or not. Five years from now when the SE's have all come out in the theater in 3D, we'll be having this same conversation about why the originals haven't been released on a modern format.

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