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On the "original crawl" thread, someone linked to The Digital Bits referencing us. There was also another link there from MSNBC about ComicCon. It's found here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14028216/page/2/) under Number 7: Star Wars Fans Are Always Upset About Something. So if anyone's getting their hopes up that the general media is going to side with us when these discs come out, this reporter paints a much different picture:

"In order to get a good seat for the 'Snakes on a Plane' revival meeting, aka the New Line Cinema presentation, I have to sit through an hour-long commercial for upcoming 'Star Wars' products. That’s the boring part. The not-boring part is the Q&A. That’s when the 'Star Wars' fans can vent their frustrations at the official Lucas spokesperson. Everyone’s got beef about something. And I realize at this moment that it has always been this way. “Star Wars” people use 'Star Wars' as a springboard for dealing with life. So when they’re frustrated with their jobs they complain about the quality of the print transfer onto the new 'Empire Strikes Back' DVD release and fight over giant promotional buttons that say 'Han shoots first!'

Reading this, even I am picturing chubby guys with goatees and nasally voices holding Jar-Jar action figures, stomping his left foot repeatedly and saying, "What about my needs?!" If this is the same mental image that the public gets... yeah, we're doomed.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Sigh. This situation keeps getting more and more desperate.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Seems the author was goofing on pretty much everyone there, not just Star Wars fans.
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Where were you in '77?

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Wow, that whole article was really below the belt. Shame on you, Dave White.
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How do people justify whining about having to listen to other people complain? Somehow him being annoyed for an hour while doing his job is more important then SW fans complaining when they get screwed over again.
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It's just like he says. To the general public, ComicCon brings to mind a lot of stereotypes, so he was doing the best he could to exaggerate them as much as humanly possible. What a dick.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I think a lot more people than just the "stereotypes" are going to start hating him. ComicCon isn't just for the stereotypical sci-fi geek anymore. It's becoming a pop culture phenomenon that everybody goes to. If it wasn't, the line on Saturday wouldn't have been 4 hours long with the convention center reaching capacity. It has surpassed being a strictly sci-fi and comic book convention and become a launching point for all types of media coming out of Hollywood and the comics industry.
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I don't give a shit what this guy thinks. He is probably obbsessed with Star wars and is a Prequel/SE lover. That would explain alot.


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hes not much of a writer on not much of a site either. he's hardly breaking new ground by going to a Con and calling people geeks

his article rates 1/2 a star out of 5 at the moment
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"'Star Wars' people use 'Star Wars' as a springboard for dealing with life. So when they’re frustrated with their jobs they complain about the quality of the print transfer onto the new 'Empire Strikes Back' DVD release and fight over giant promotional buttons that say 'Han shoots first!'"

And I guess "reporters" begin editorializing when they are frustrated about the smallness of their writing talent/penises.

See? Anyone can make vast sweeping assumptions! It's fun!

By the way, Gaffer Tape, I sent you a pm - did you get it?
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Goofing on dorks at a comic book convention! That's pretty bold, Lenny Bruce!
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
"'Star Wars' people use 'Star Wars' as a springboard for dealing with life. So when they’re frustrated with their jobs they complain about the quality of the print transfer onto the new 'Empire Strikes Back' DVD release and fight over giant promotional buttons that say 'Han shoots first!'"

And I guess "reporters" begin editorializing when they are frustrated about the smallness of their writing talent/penises.

See? Anyone can make vast sweeping assumptions! It's fun!

By the way, Gaffer Tape, I sent you a pm - did you get it?


Oh, yeah. I got it. Sorry I haven't written back yet. My box is full right now, and I have to clean some stuff out before I can reply to anybody. It's rather late, so I'm going to save that for tomorrow morning.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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If we're correct and his stereotypes aren't true then there's nothing that guy can say that can hurt our cause. If anything he helps us gain common acceptance. My problem is George Lucas, the megalomaniac-in-chief, who weilds all authority over the Star Wars films.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I guess I'm not the only one.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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This stuff doesn't bother me. There is always going to be someone who looks at us as worrying about this stuff too much. I love the OT movies, and I do what I can to get the movies put out in the right way they should be, but that is all we can do. Don't get mad if someone jokes about us needing to 'get a life', cause it is a hobby to all of us who enjoy it, nothing more nothing less. The difference is our hobby's creator has totally dissed us so we have to be a bit more vocal about things. People have always looked upon SW fans as goofy or weird in one way or another, even in the OT glory days, but I have never let that ruin my enjoyment that I feel they are missing out.

What I am trying to say is that I am trying to not get furious anymore of this stuff, and just do what we can, and so be it. Lucas is a jerk, and the O-OT set in September is what it is. I will keep fighting and won't give up, but I am done being bitter, cause Lucas has already lost a lifelong fan. Just read my sig.
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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
The fact that he was going to watch Snakes on a Plane says alot.



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I'm guessing he was one of the few unfortunate kids who didn't get any SW toys while growing up
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The author's personal website if anyone wants to send him an email; he even encourages it at the bottom of his article.

Dave White is the author of “Exile in Guyville” and fails to mention that he spent way too much money on vintage Japanese monster toys at the Con. He can be found and hassled at www.imdavewhite.com


And he's calling SW fans nerds?
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Originally posted by: CO
This stuff doesn't bother me. There is always going to be someone who looks at us as worrying about this stuff too much. I love the OT movies, and I do what I can to get the movies put out in the right way they should be, but that is all we can do. Don't get mad if someone jokes about us needing to 'get a life', cause it is a hobby to all of us who enjoy it, nothing more nothing less. The difference is our hobby's creator has totally dissed us so we have to be a bit more vocal about things. People have always looked upon SW fans as goofy or weird in one way or another, even in the OT glory days, but I have never let that ruin my enjoyment that I feel they are missing out.

What I am trying to say is that I am trying to not get furious anymore of this stuff, and just do what we can, and so be it. Lucas is a jerk, and the O-OT set in September is what it is. I will keep fighting and won't give up, but I am done being bitter, cause Lucas has already lost a lifelong fan. Just read my sig.


It doesn't make me furious or anything. It's just that a lot of people are expecting the general press to be in an uproar when these low-quality discs come out. I mean, sure, it's just one article, but I thought it'd be interesting to point out the kind of information that some people will be getting.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: CO
This stuff doesn't bother me. There is always going to be someone who looks at us as worrying about this stuff too much. I love the OT movies, and I do what I can to get the movies put out in the right way they should be, but that is all we can do. Don't get mad if someone jokes about us needing to 'get a life', cause it is a hobby to all of us who enjoy it, nothing more nothing less. The difference is our hobby's creator has totally dissed us so we have to be a bit more vocal about things. People have always looked upon SW fans as goofy or weird in one way or another, even in the OT glory days, but I have never let that ruin my enjoyment that I feel they are missing out.

What I am trying to say is that I am trying to not get furious anymore of this stuff, and just do what we can, and so be it. Lucas is a jerk, and the O-OT set in September is what it is. I will keep fighting and won't give up, but I am done being bitter, cause Lucas has already lost a lifelong fan. Just read my sig.


It doesn't make me furious or anything. It's just that a lot of people are expecting the general press to be in an uproar when these low-quality discs come out. I mean, sure, it's just one article, but I thought it'd be interesting to point out the kind of information that some people will be getting.


I wouldn't consider this guy the general press, more like a soap box writer who'd be better off working on the Jerry Springer Show.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape


It doesn't make me furious or anything. It's just that a lot of people are expecting the general press to be in an uproar when these low-quality discs come out. I mean, sure, it's just one article, but I thought it'd be interesting to point out the kind of information that some people will be getting.


Dont Get me wrong GT, I am still glad you posted it, cause it is a very funny read. I was just saying in the grand scheme of things, the parts of the media that dont follow SW anymore, are going to laugh it up. Magazines like Entertainment Weekly, and ones that keep up with technology will be the ones laughing at Lucas in September, I will guarantee that.

Most media outlets just think this is a movie series that is over-with, and really don't know why people are bitching when there are no more movies. These were also the same people who laughed at us and didn't get it when the OT was king of the world. I say nothing has changed.

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Well, hopefully you're right.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: JediRandy
I guess I'm not the only one.

The only one who what?

Its not your movie, never was, never will be.


I never said that it was.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
I guess I'm not the only one.


The only one who what?


Who thinks some fans have done everything in their power to suck the enjoyment out of something that was once fun.






And before you say that "Lucas sucked the enjoyment out of it for me".

Don't bother. You don't like the SE's, fine. Watch the VHS. That wasn't good enough so you wanted the OOT DVD. After years of fanboy "outrage", you're getting that. Only now that's not good enough either. The screen is too small, the sound is different, the title crawl is moving too fast and it's missing the logo, the list goes on and on. And you wonder why people call Star Wars fans "immature whiners" on MSNBC. Go figure.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas