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I know, I'm just disappointed at this whole absurd situation, even if it is a good sign in a perverse sort of way.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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Lucas is going to get CREAMED in the press for this whole non-anamorphic thing. Every A/V magazine in the world is going to review these DVDs - and the THX reputation will be permanently tarnished, which is exactly what GL deserves...yea!!!!

I can't WAIT to read Sound and Vision's review.

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What are you doing up this late . I know, but it looks like his plan has really backfired. "I'll release them as bonus material, then no one can complain and they'll all shut up." Instead, he's blow the doors wide open on the issue and pushed it into the mainstream. I so hope that this smooths over in the future. Very soon. I am not patient. Tyrants create their own enemies and soon Lucas shall reap what he has sown. I wonder if they got booed at ComicCon. I'm more interested in magazines like People and what they'll have to say. This a major victory for OOT fans, but it comes a cost. I just hope that Lucas finally opens his eyes.

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http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=9424

"Sansweet kicked off this year’s Star Wars demo addressing Internet chatter bemoaning the fact that the original theatrical versions Lucasfilm is finally putting on DVD are from the laserdisc transfer and are not in anamorphic widescreen or completely digitally restored.

Sansweet had some fun with the audience, showing a scene from the movie in a tiny square in middle of the hall’s gigantic five video screens, then showing the same scene tweaked to have about the quality of a NASA Earth-to-Moon video transmission.

“I’m done messing with you,” Sansweet said, and cued the “real” clip of the oft-discussed “Han shoots first” scene from A New Hope, which was greeted with massive cheers from the audience.

“The transfers are absolutely incredible,” Sansweet said, “I have never seen a movie look this good at this level, despite what you may have heard in Internet rumors.”

The original laserdisc transfers went through a frame-by-frame digital color correction, he said".
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Is that a joke? Because it's not funny . I hope that this opens LFL's eyes.

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Sansweet's about as uselss as Rick McCallum. His sole purpose as head geek in charge of fan relations, or whatever the hell his job title is, is to keep the LFL kool aid flowing at these friggin' conventions. They could release the OT in ViewMaster format, and Sansweet would be up there droning on about the amazing quality of the picture. The guy just spits out whatever his puppet masters at LFL tell him to. He's a businessman just like the rest, which means, of course, that he's full of shit.
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Originally posted by: gltaylor74

“The transfers are absolutely incredible,” Sansweet said, “I have never seen a movie look this good at this level, despite what you may have heard in Internet rumors.”

The original laserdisc transfers went through a frame-by-frame digital color correction, he said".

That's interesting...I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

*ahem* Did they pass this button out there? "Bonus Feature", eh?
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It's funny to me how LFL is pimping out the whole "Han Shoots First!" thing now. To me, it is pretty ridculous because Lucas is the one that started the whole issue from the beginning! It is like me creating a car design everyone loves. I later change it and people are upset, saying things like, "Bring that body style back!" Years later I offer the same style again and say, "Yeah, bring it back!" almost like I had nothing to do with it.

I can't help but think even Lucas' own company thinks he has gone way, way out into the deep end and is now revolting a little, trying to reel him back in and salvage what they can...
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
It's funny to me how LFL is pimping out the whole "Han Shoots First!" thing now. To me, it is pretty ridculous because Lucas is the one that started the whole issue from the beginning! It is like me creating a car design everyone loves. I later change it and people are upset, saying things like, "Bring that body style back!" Years later I offer the same style again and say, "Yeah, bring it back!" almost like I had nothing to do with it.


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Just that they're using this "slogan" is so retarded!!! Lucas started this with his stupid horseshit changes......

This company has fallen so far from grace, man.......no one could TOUCH this company back in the 80s. And it's the big man himself that did it......

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Hmm . . . well, if they do look washed out and pixelated, I'm not getting them. It's just not worth the money.

It's both laughable and ludicrous how difficult George is being about all of this. I wish he would just quit the business and leave it so someone who actually cared about the fans and about quality, instead of money exclusively. Too much to hope? Certainly.
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Originally posted by: CO
But in 2004, when he just put out the SE on DVD, that is when he turned me from a Lucas defender, to a Lucas basher for ruining the OT by putting Hayden in ROTJ. That change alone keeps me from every popping in ROTJ SE, cause it is just so bad it is insulting to take out an actor who is dead now in real life, Sebastian Shaw, and put in Hayden as some gimmick to tie the trilogies that Lucas couldn't do while writing them. This is a gimmick to tie the trilogies, plain & simple, this has nothing to do with vision, or Lucas would have put some 20 year old actor in there in 1983!


After episode 2 and episode 3 of the PT I lost all of my respect for Lucas, but I was still able to be friendly somewhat. I felt sorry for Lucas and the Star Wars universe, since they were being transformed into shit, but that's not a reason to be angry. It is the travesty you mention there that truly brought out the recent anger in me. He wants to trick us into buying complete shit by calling it "Star Wars"? I'm not going to stand for that.

This thread makes me not want to buy these upcoming versions. Even as much as a disk return campaign sounds fun, I don't want these DVDs.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
Sansweet's about as uselss as Rick McCallum. His sole purpose as head geek in charge of fan relations, or whatever the hell his job title is, is to keep the LFL kool aid flowing at these friggin' conventions. They could release the OT in ViewMaster format, and Sansweet would be up there droning on about the amazing quality of the picture. The guy just spits out whatever his puppet masters at LFL tell him to. He's a businessman just like the rest, which means, of course, that he's full of shit.


"ViewMaster Format" I about swallowed my tongue when I read that......VERY funny comment. Made my day, thank you.

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Does it make sense that they may have taken the laserdisc masters and cleaned them up some? Obviously I would think they would have had to have done something to them to remove the "episode 4 a new hope" from the first film? Perhaps they did do some cleanup and they won't be as bad as what the internet makes them to be. Especially since none of us have actually seen the dvd's.

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Someone has seen them now. And LFL have not said that it will be cleaned up, and even if it will it will still be a substanard release from a poor master. I hate to rain on everything, but this whole situation is fast destroying my optimism.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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Someone saw it and actually commented on the technical aspects. And its not good. All those soft shots and interlacing errors from the Empire of Dreams footage is there but without the anamorphic enhancement. The report:

"I was at the Sansweet Star Wars presentation is SDCC yesterday afternoon and saw the DVD footage. When I got home this evening I was surprised that there hadn’t been posts from others in attendance, as the statements regarding the DVD release and the image quality of the footage shown was outrageous, to put it lightly.

Sansweet began his presentation by rolling the opening credits to Star Wars with the reinstated pre-ANH crawl. White ringing, that resembled edge enhancement, could clearly be seen on the inside edges of the yellow text during the crawl, though overall the image was very clean. The footage was shown on four front projectors throughout the room.

After this footage is where Sansweet addressed the complaints about the lack of anamorphic enhancement. Alarm bells started ringing for me when he assured the audience that “the black bars are still there, but are very, very small and hardly noticeable… not even an issue” or something along those lines. It seemed as though Sansweet did not grasp the fundamentals of 16:9 encoding on DVD, contorting the complaint into meaning that a group of internet users were upset that the movies were not being presented in a 16:9 framed image, instead of the correct concern that the discs are not anamorphically enhanced versions of the films that retain their correct 2:35:1 composition.

The next statement that Sansweet made was about the versions presented as being from “the highest quality laserdisc masters made, digitally restored frame by frame,” and that, “these movies look fantastic”. Which of course is true, fine and dandy if not for the fact that video technology has made leaps and bounds beyond the intended purpose of that “restoration”. Those technicalities were obviously not explored.

The jokey bits about the NASA-esque footage and windowboxed teeny-tiny footage was intermixed with the hard sell.

Then, the real deal was shown. The cantina scene with Han shooting Greedo first was shown and received a huge round of cheers when Han, did, as they are pushing so hard and handing out buttons to state, shoot first. But, oh boy, was there something wrong with what was on screen. Please set aside the issue of the loss of image resolution that the 4:3 letterboxed discs, as what was seen on screen was far more concerning:

Deinterlacing artifacts were visible throughout the clip, showing as horizontal combing in every bit of motion and in every shot transition. Speaking with my friends that I attended with, they all saw it clear as day as well. Not good. I’m rather lousy at understanding IVTC, but what I saw on screen was not acceptable.

I was rather startled at the dismissive attitude from Steve Sansweet towards the informed concerns highlighted from forum users and industry professionals, and the calculated assurances that he made about the supposed quality of the sources used for this project. His final comments on the issue were basically along the lines of “George considers these versions dead to him, so you should be grateful you’re getting them at all.”

I was very disappointed in his stance and seeming ignorance towards the real issues with the DVD release, and to wave away legitimate quality issues as the ravings of an over-demanding fan base was frankly startling. I’m a huge Star Wars fan and am interested in the preservation of the original versions of these movies for posterity, and yesterday’s presentation left me with the impression that such a goal is not in any way shared by Lucasfilm. Unfortunate.

I’ve attempted to recount the experience as accurately as possible, but it’s been a long trip and I’m sure I’ve missed details. If there are any omissions or inaccuracies, hopefully some other members can share, correct, and confirm what they saw as well. "


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Sansweet is officially the Lucasfilm ass-kisser of the year. The man obviously has no clue what the fuck he is saying and is just towing the company line:
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They're color correcting them now!?!?!?

What? They can do that, but they won't pony up for anamorphic???

WTF???

Hopefully, these DVDs will leak out early and we'll get some early reviews....cuz I am now seriously wondering if I even want them. Stick with the bootlegs....at least, they haven't been jacked with....

This is all just so sad and pathetic......why can't these movies get treated with any respect at all?

Anyone know if Sansweet is going to be at the Chicago Wizard World? I wanna chew his ass out....
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^^Oh man.......if this is true....screw it....I'm not buying it at all and I don't care. The bootlegs will be around forever, so the hell with some crap release.

It's the attitude I don't like either.....we should be lucky we're getting them at all???

Hey Sansweet, Lucas and LFL in general......FUCK YOU!!!
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“George considers these versions dead to him, so you should be grateful you’re getting them at all.”


Just out of curiosity, exactly what did he say? The fellow does not seem to grasp what an anamorphic transfer is. Their response e-mail said the same thing: it's still widescreen. LFL seem to think that the core of the issue is that the fans don't think that the trasfer is widescreen, and that is not so. Did he get booed? I bet he expect everyone to cheer when Han shot first. This just keeps getting better and better. My optimism is waning fast. There has to be something left to do to save the OOT!

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Any and all "restoration" or "color correcting" Sansweet mentioned for this release was done back in '93. He's just trying to talk up whatever work was done for the Definitive Collection LDs.

It's disheartening - though not surprising - to hear Sansweet talking like that. He basically brushed off the anamorphic and quality issues by joking about them, then showed the actual (inferior) footage and says, "it doesn't look that bad, does it?". No, Steve, it DOES look that bad.

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So is there any hope for these DVDs to sell well? Is there any hope that we'll ever see the OOT in high quailty on DVD? My flaring optimism just burnt out completely.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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I dont think we will see the originals again in any format, or this will sell well, From what I have read people are avoiding these like the plague and people are seeking bootlegs or keeping existing ones but not paying big money for three separate non laser transfer, the only hope IMO is if Lucasfilm run out of stuff to put on DVD or another format to sell more units of the current definitive edition of the original trilogy and will it treated better then who knows.
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From the Hyperspace audio, his exact words during the Q&A were: "It was a chance to go back to George again and say, 'George, this might be a really good opportunity, if you're ever gonna let us do this, how about for the fans we release the original versions?' You know as well as I do what George thinks. And George thinks, especially for Star Wars, it wasn't the movie that he wanted to put out."

So yeah, Sansweet's basically saying that we're lucky these are being put out at all.

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holy shit

I feel the need to punch George Lucas.
He big in nothing important in good elephant.

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