KURTZ: ...I've felt that what's happened is that the working producer's job – basically, of being the director's partner and being his mirror and sounding bound – has disappeared and the producer's job has primarily turned to deal making. Most of the people whose names you see up on the screen don't have anything to do with the making of the film, which is a shame, really, because it leaves the director kind of totally on his own – and it means also that there's no one to say "Wait a minute, that's terrible, don't do that!"
IGNFF: There're no 'no-men' anymore.
KURTZ: There're no 'no-men'. Yes, exactly.
IGNFF: There're no 'no-men' anymore.
KURTZ: There're no 'no-men'. Yes, exactly.