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you know, pizza stones cure all. i heard that pizza stones even cure aids. from a friend's brother's cousin's uncle's friend's girlfriend's doctor. so everyone should stock up on pizza stones.

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Speaking of AIDS, Ricarliete, you know my friend that is going to Brasil? He keeps watching this show warning about the danger that AIDS to keep reminding himself so that he doesn't do something stupid.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Pizza stones really cure AIDS? Wow, what about pizza pans?
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And now for something completely different.

How did NBC allowed this to be aired? Was it, really? Any memories, anyone? Aparently on syndication and re-runs, it was cut. Apart from the message it states (which we ALL know but happily ignore), I'm amazed on how did the network allowed it to be aired...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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this was aired on SNL, I believe.

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And now for something completely different...

I'm officially 24 years old now... Time to celebrate that I'm one year closer to my horrible, horrible death.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
And now for something completely different...

I'm officially 24 years old now... Time to celebrate that I'm one year closer to my horrible, horrible death.


Thats a happy way to look at your birthday. lol

Happy birthday!
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
And now for something completely different...

I'm officially 24 years old now... Time to celebrate that I'm one year closer to my horrible, horrible death.
Happy Birthday man. Things get even worse when you hit 25.

War does not make one great.

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Thank you so much. Hopefully things will either be better when I hit 25, or I'll never hit it.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Recently I've been thinking along similar lines - If I died, I don't think I would mind too much. Like most people, I used to fear death, now I don't care. The only problem is, I believe in Reincarnation, so I'll just end up back here again.

War does not make one great.

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I don't belive on it, goes against chrtistianity and the whole point of it. And I don't fear death, I fear dying in a slow, painful horrible way.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
goes against chrtistianity
I believe that Jesus' teachings have been misintepreted by christians and ruined by dogma and doctrine.

I also heard that reincarnation was originally mentioned in the bible but was taken out by the church at some point because they believed that if people knew thay had another chance they wouldn't 'behave' so well in this life. Not sure if that's true, but it's certainly feasible.

And yeah, I'm the same as you - not too worried about death itself, just the mode of death.

War does not make one great.

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If there's reincarnation, what is the porpouse of repent for your sins and the whole come of Christ to save our souls, as we have the ability to come back again, and again, and again? Besides, if there is reincarnation, and we live different lifes and forget about them when we move into a new one, the mere fact that I'm consciously remembering the facts that are happening now indicate that this is either my last incarnation, or that it dosen't exist (kinda like the movie "Memento" - think about it, it makes sense).
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Well, my beliefs are basically Buddhist, although I won't claim to BE a Buddhist - I just believe a lot of what they believe and their teachings make a lot of sense to me. However, I still believe in Christ, and, in a way I believe in God but not in the way the average christian believes in God. This is how I see it: We have one big 'life', beyond the physical plane. The object of this life is to learn all the lessons there are to learn and transcend to 'Nirvana', or whatever you want to call it, which I see as basically becoming one with the life force of the universe (we are actually already 'one' with it, but the illusion of individuality stops us from seeing that fact). So, we come back to Earth again and again to learn these lessons, and the situations we find ourselves in during life, the family we are born into, etc, are all tailored towards teaching us these lessons. I would even suggest that we choose the life we come into during the 'in between' stages.

Repenting for you sins is a lesson learnt - you realise the error of your ways and will, hopefully, not repeat them, in this life or another. And while we don't rememeber our past lives (although some people claim they do), we do remember the lessons, which is why people have different character traits, etc - they have overcome issues that others have not and are now working on different issues.

I'm sure I've explained this terribly.... The ultimate aim is to be like OT Yoda, then when you die you can become one with the force. Yeah, Star Wars philosophy, you just can't beat it.

As for Christ, I 100% believe he came to Earth and said what he said. However, I believe he was misinterpreted. I believe when he spoke of his Father, he didn't literally mean his daddy the guy with the beard up in the clouds - he was talking metaphorically about the single universal mass that we are all born from, and all linked to (again, the force is a good simplification of the concept I'm trying to explain). And the whole dying for our sins bit, well I was talking to a bible thumper the other day and he told me that Jesus died for my sins. I asked him what that actually meant and he didn't have an answer (well, he did answer me, but his answer didn't answer my question at all - he was just quoting dogma). What does it actually mean? How did Jesus dying on the cross save my soul? I don't get it. There's no denying his self sacrifice was a fanatastic example of compassion and if we all tried to live our lives like Jesus did the world would be fabulous, but I don't understand what 'died for our sins' ACTUALLY means.

War does not make one great.

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I guess it means that he gave his life in order for his word to be understood. If he had said to Pilates "No, I am not who they say I am, I cannot do these things, I am a fraud", he would have let him go. But people today wold not follow him. Get it?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Well, yes, I understand that he gave his life so that his word would be remembered and understood, but is that all that it means? I thought there was more to it than that, like somehow his death and suffering 'magically' redeemed all us sinners. Maybe I was trying to read too much into it? And to be honest I don't really think that his words were understood. At least not fully, anyway.

War does not make one great.

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I try to think of religion less as "magic" and more as philosofy. I am an agnosthic, and I shift from being a believer and not constantly - I'm currently on one of my religious moods - and I belive that EVEN if some atheistic came around and proved that God does not exist and that what we see is all we have and that death is merely the end of consciousness, even then I would say "read the Bible". Or ask for churches to be kept as they are. Because it's not the whole magic behind it that matters. Who cares if Jesus really walked on water or not? What matters is the message. What we do. How we behave.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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I agree. But when you get people arguing over whether or not the Evolution is real or whether or not gays are evil then it's not such a good thing anymore. Like I said, I feel that the message has been 'missed' by many, and twisted into a set of rules and 'morals' which can't possibly be wrong because the bible says so. The messages and lessons of the bible are a fantastic example to people on how to be nice to eachother and have a good, loving world, but it can also be abused (not neccesarily on purpose).

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Well, yes, I understand that he gave his life so that his word would be remembered and understood, but is that all that it means? I thought there was more to it than that, like somehow his death and suffering 'magically' redeemed all us sinners. Maybe I was trying to read too much into it? And to be honest I don't really think that his words were understood. At least not fully, anyway.


Well, as a Christian who doesn't normally wander into this thread, do you mind if I take a shot at it? Hopefully I won't come across as sounding too dogmatic.

Oh, gosh, I can't believe I'm about to use this analogy, and I didn't plan to, but it just popped into my head. But you used Star Wars philosophy to relate, so I guess I can use fictional rules as well. In Dragon Ball, Son Goku eventually learns the technique to teleport or instantaneously move or whatever you want to call it (as long as you don't call it instant transmission... bleh). So he has the power to locate a person's ki, no matter where it is, and move to that location. Villains aside, nobody else can do it, but if they hold on to Goku while he is teleporting, then they will be transported along as well.

Okay, now to move in to more legitimate theological discussion based on Christian beliefs. You have to be perfect to get into heaven. None of us are. All of us have screwed up. Jesus was the only perfect human being. He's the only one who can get there. Back in the old days, people slaughtered and burned animals as a sacrifice to repent for their sins. But Jesus offered himself up as a super sacrifice to completely negate the old needs. So Jesus has eventually become the single sacrifice that every person for the rest of time can put his/her sins on. Just like the other DB characters need to hold on to Goku to move between worlds, Jesus functions the same way in the real world.

Phew. I hope that at least helped some. Heh, I did my best at any rate.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Thanks Gaffer - believe it or not that actually is a good explanation that makes sense.

War does not make one great.

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Thanks. I'm going to go ahead and believe you that I did a good job. ^_^

However, now I'm more curious as to how this "Bible thumper" you talked to explained it, if you wouldn't mind sharing. I mean, I don't participate in church really beyond going to the service on Sundays. I've read through the whole Bible once, but it's been a while. So I could hardly be considered to have "Bible thumper" status. So it just makes me wonder how I could possible use a Japanese manga based on a Chinese fable to help explain the Christ story while this other guy apparently missed the boat or something.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Probably because you are a thoughtful individual who takes the words of the bible and considers and analyses them for yourself, whereas most 'bible thumpers' just read it (or are told it) and accept it unquestionably without even really understanding it simply because that is what is expected of them. Or worse still they follow the bible for fear of going to hell. I myself was raised catholic and as I have mentioned I do actually believe in God (in a way) and Jesus. But I reached an age where I was alble to think for myself and I realized that a lot of what the Catholics were forcing down my throat was, for want of a better word, bullshit. I am not afraid to look at alternatives and absorb ideas from other religions and merge them with my own, whereas many people are.

The person who I asked before that couldn't give me a satidfactory answer basically just quoted the bible and kept repeating 'he died for our sins and you must accept him into your life' and I was like 'that may be so, but how and why?' He just couldn't give me any thoughtful answer beyond the 'script' he had been given by his bible group.

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Well, I do believe the Bible, and I try to keep its commands. But, yeah, it is important to make sure you take the context into meaning. When it was written, what they were referring to. Several thousand years later, if you simply read these words without historical context, it can get kind of blurred. And I admit, lately I've had some questions myself about some things that simply don't make sense to me.

What I don't like about a lot of Christians through the ages is how they judge so much. At least around me, I haven't noticed it's as bad, but, obviously, throughout history, they've done some pretty crappy things. And I'm sure a lot of the things Christians have persecuted or ostracized others for are things that I also consider to be wrong. What I consider to be the key, though, and what those people keep on conveniently missing, is something that Jesus said, and I paraphrase: It is God's place to judge, not man's. I mean, it's a fundamental part of Jesus's history, of befriending and loving those who do things that are considered to be immoral, yet so many others who have less right to judge than Jesus can be real horrible to those who are different. And that's something that's always bugged me, especially since I'm really different as well.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.