Originally posted by: Tiptup

Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
Fanboys know Obi-Wan’s statement is a lie. If any real message can be drawn from the PT regarding the Jedi Order it is that they were too dogmatic. EVERYTHING was Black and White with the Jedi and that contributed to their downfall. The Sith were the group that embraced a larger view of the force; they were the order that saw shades of grey. The one PT Jedi (Qui-Gon) that tried to direct the order to a more open interpretation of the force was kept off the council for his efforts. The Jedi had their dogma, it worked for generations and it was based on their ideal that the force was black and white. Didn’t Obi-Wan lecture Qui-Gon to be more Orthodox throughout TPM? To someone familiar with the GFFA Ben’s statement is total bull shit.

Oh, Iagree, the line itself is completely illogical. I'm just skeptical that it was ever meant to be a direct dig on George Bush. I'm more inclined to think that Lucas just has a certain outlook of the world that is completely irrational and inconsistent, and thus that was the actual source of the line. Certain secularists have the hypocritical viewpoint that moral absolutes are wrong and I bet Lucas was making a crippled attempt to voice something to that affect. Just because certain political debates currently seem to be at the forefront does not mean he was purposely aiming to bring those politics into his movies and therefore criticize "those Christian concervatives" or whatever.

Oh, and to clarify, I believe Lucas will offend people all the time, and be very stubborn about it all, but that's mostly because of his personality flaws and his bad moves. Rarely are his offenses part of some intentional wish on his part if you ask me. I don't believe he is the type to offend people in a large scale fashion if he can help it since that would hurt his most beloved profits.

I just don’t see anyway it could be taken as anything but a dig at the President. I also think that Lucas figured it would slide past the casual viewer, appeal to his buddies like Spielberg and he figured those “astute” enough to catch the jab would either agree with him or not be in the theatre to begin with.

Let me stress what I said the last time I brought up this subject just so I can be clear on my motives. I’m a moderate and an Independent I’m not a big fan of the President, but I don’t think he’s Hitler either. I don’t have a horse in this race politically speaking. I can assure you that Lucas thinks little of the President or those that support him. That being the case I think he “misunderestimated” (to use a Bushism) both those with differing political views and the general audience.

I don’t think he alienated a portion of his audience on purpose. I think he alienated a portion of his audience because he’s out of touch with the rest of the universe. You know the same way he alienated a potion of his audience with Jar Jar. George figured people would love Jar Jar. Just look at the interviews he had leading up to the release of TPM. He spoke about Jar Jar and how he was a marvel of modern CG and great character. Then TPM comes out and no person on Earth that had completed puberty enjoyed Jar Jar. Perhaps Jar Jar was a modern CG masterpiece, but I never noticed because I was still trying to recover from the fact that he was an insult to the audience.

I would like to give Lucas the benefit of a doubt, but after Greedo I can’t. If Lucas was willing to change a piece of Film History because his feelings on violence have changed I’m not going to put it past him to make a dig at a less than popular President.