Originally posted by: Tiptup
According to what objective standard? Image resolution? Visual compression? Frame rate? If so, those elements are decided by the type of codec used and the way it is used, not the disc format.
Even then, I don’t quite understand your attacks on Mpeg-2. Maybe it is disappointing as you say, but I’m guessing your sources on that are not analytical. I could be wrong and Mpeg-2 could truly be as inferior to VC-1 as you claim and, if it is, I’m willing to be educated on those technical details.
Either way, Blu-ray players handle all of the same codecs that HD-DVD players can work with. It is the content providers that decide to use the Mpeg-2 codec when placing the actual data on the Blu-ray discs, not the discs or the players. At the very most, Blu-ray is not a mature technology yet and you’re expecting too much, too soon. It won’t be long at all before it uses other codecs if they truly offer so much more.
Originally posted by: Jobel
There's still this bizarre idea that capacity = better for a movie playback platform. The plain and simple fact is that a VC1/AVC encoded movie will not need 50GB. Not even with extreme picture quality. Not even with the inclusion of lossless audio codecs.
Uhh, so, you believe the amount of data a disk can hold doesn’t matter? Is that why I have a two 200 GB hard drives on my computer?
There are many useful reasons to support a format that has higher storage capacity beyond simply watching a single movie. It’s ridiculous to simply toss aside such an advantage lightly. If we’re going to have some new format forced on us by electronics and entertainment companies, then I say we should get the one that is more versatile and will last longer in general.
Originally posted by: Jobel
At the end of the day, the Bluray discs have so far delivered disappointing image quality compared to HD-DVD. I think that speaks for itself.
There's still this bizarre idea that capacity = better for a movie playback platform. The plain and simple fact is that a VC1/AVC encoded movie will not need 50GB. Not even with extreme picture quality. Not even with the inclusion of lossless audio codecs.
Uhh, so, you believe the amount of data a disk can hold doesn’t matter? Is that why I have a two 200 GB hard drives on my computer?
There are many useful reasons to support a format that has higher storage capacity beyond simply watching a single movie. It’s ridiculous to simply toss aside such an advantage lightly. If we’re going to have some new format forced on us by electronics and entertainment companies, then I say we should get the one that is more versatile and will last longer in general.
Originally posted by: Jobel
At the end of the day, the Bluray discs have so far delivered disappointing image quality compared to HD-DVD. I think that speaks for itself.
According to what objective standard? Image resolution? Visual compression? Frame rate? If so, those elements are decided by the type of codec used and the way it is used, not the disc format.
Even then, I don’t quite understand your attacks on Mpeg-2. Maybe it is disappointing as you say, but I’m guessing your sources on that are not analytical. I could be wrong and Mpeg-2 could truly be as inferior to VC-1 as you claim and, if it is, I’m willing to be educated on those technical details.
Either way, Blu-ray players handle all of the same codecs that HD-DVD players can work with. It is the content providers that decide to use the Mpeg-2 codec when placing the actual data on the Blu-ray discs, not the discs or the players. At the very most, Blu-ray is not a mature technology yet and you’re expecting too much, too soon. It won’t be long at all before it uses other codecs if they truly offer so much more.
Sorry, I'm not buying your argument. It's based purely on a bit more capacity (which is pointless anyway). If you want capacity get a HDD. If you want to be forced to pay double the price just for a disc with a bit more space on it (again who needs it when consumers can just use a HDD) then be my guest. Enjoy bleeding your wallet dry for a format that wants to copyprotect to death.
I personally think HD-DVD will win the war based on it's name alone. The brand name is just too familiar for it to lose.
People won't get what Bluray is without it being explained. They will be hesitant to support anything sony has it's hand in. They don't exactly have a great track record.
At the end of the day, Bluray is trying to be revolutionary (and failing so far) just for the idea of it, rather than any actual demand for it.
I'm willing to give them a chance once they start putting out discs that offer image quality that is at least as good as what HD-DVD have put out, but until then, the ball is no longer in their court.
We shall see what happens.