I have to agree with scruffy, even if I don't care what color lukes underwear was though my vote would be white to offset his black outfit. If all we were to discuss was the preservation then that would be the only forum we would need. Instead, Jay has given his site the means to expand and grow which is what makes a successful site. I don't see ot.com turning in tf.n mainly because Jay is obviously not a Lucas fanboy. He's not going to gear this site in the same way that the webmasters of tf.n have done.