Originally posted by: Tiptup

Also, the "Clone Wars" themselves actually made no sense in the PT and aren't consistent with how Luke and Obiwan discussed them. They weren't a series of "wars" since they were just one war and nobody lost anything important on either side except money. It was fought purely by totally-expendable droids and totally-expendable clones. How boring is that? No normal people like you or me could have ever gotten "involved" in such a ridiculous video game war. Based upon what George Lucas showed us, I don't see how, when, or why Luke's uncle could have ever told Anakin to have "not gotten involved" unless we assume Obiwan was lying to Luke about that too. What a freakin’ disappointment.

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I agree that the Clone Wars were really irrational in some respects if you think about it, and it really exposes Lucas's writing skills to me that started going bad in ROTJ. Lucas to me has great ideas, he comes up with some really great stuff for this universe, but when he writes and puts it all together as a cohesive story, it's a frickin mess!

ROTJ is where this all started I think. But it was only one movie, the OT was still relatively general, and it was more of tying up everything instead of developing the plots, so you don't see how badly that movie is written. I love ROTJ, but there is alot of just bad writing in a story-sense of the word. Lukes rescue in Jabba's palace, I still dont know what the plan was? Leia saves Han as Jabba and his boys sit behind a curtain, why would they let her get Han out and then reveal themselves? Yoda telling Luke the only way he can become a jedi is by confronting Vader, yet thats the reason he wouldn't let him leave in ESB? Vader wanted to take out The Emperor in ESB, but now is loyal to him when he first meets Luke? Leia says after Luke tells her he is her brother, "Somehow I always knew." You did Leia, then why did you kiss him in ESB? And then ObiWan, "From a point of view" That was a cop out, and could have been written so much better, like it is ObiWan who is feeling so much guilt for everything that happened that Luke is the only hope.

ESB set all these plot points up that took SW '77 to another level, and that is pretty good to do with a standalone film in which I don't believe Lucas had any notes for a sequel. In that respect ESB is very consistent to SW '77, and does a good job of not making you question plot holes. But ROTJ exposes Lucas for the bad writer that he is, and if you look at the last 4 SW movies, the plots and the cohesion of the stories just don't make total sense.

I always ask the PT gushers the big question, why didn't Anakin question Palpatine about how this trick of saving people once? Why doesn't he atleast explore if this is true before going off and killing a bunch of jedi kids and choking his wife. He doesn't ask once, "So how do you do this, because I am about to turn on every Jedi I have been friends with since 10 years old." That to me is just plain stupid, and makes the greatest villain Darth Vader, look like a complete moron.

If you really look at the history of the SW saga, this crap started building in ROTJ, and then continued in the SE, and then the PT. And for years I questioned how the PT could be this illogical, I forgot to check if Lucas has done anything remotely great since ROTJ? If you really think about it, he should have stopped at ROTJ, and we would all think he was still God.