Originally posted by: CO
There was really no way Lucas could have done this trilogy well without spoiling something, it is just too hard, and too much stuff would left out that ties it up. But that is the whole point why it should be watched 4-6, 1-3, the PT is a simple backstory, and if it were better, it would work great with the OT.
I agree, but that assumes there was actually something worth seeing in the prequel trilogy. Now I simply wish George had never tried tying anything together. He should have made a more distant story. Then again, I should say that a master writer could have still dealt with the same characters and themes while keeping the juicy, latter revelations unmolested.
Exactly. So much of the supposed "back story" isn't back story at all. Its cheap and unimaginative crap flung at OT story facets. Almost everything compelling about the PT’s story relies completely upon the way those very same elements were important in the OT. Unfortunately, nine times out of ten, what we see in the PT hurts everything more than it enhances.
Darth Vader is given the worst treatment in the PT. I always envisioned Darth Vader as having a dark and twisted tragedy enslaving him to the dark side. Instead, his turn to the dark side of the force is all about being a whiny, bitchy complainer! I hate Anakin from the PT! Sure, he wasn't as annoying in RotS as he was in AotC but he was still a completely irrational asshole. I cannot envision him as ever becoming Darth Vader or else I even come to hate the Darth Vader in the OT as some pathetic loser and that breaks my heart. It's actually sad. I can only enjoy the OT if I force everything from the PT out of my mind.
Originally posted by: CO
Stuff like the rise of Palpatine as a politican to Emperor, that is interesting! I never pictuerd The Emperor that way, and now that he rose to power, instead of just seizing power gives depth to the OT now for ROTJ. Take away Jango Fett and that stupid tiein, but the Clone Troopers being on the republics side, and Kenobi flying to Kamino to see them make the clones, gives an added depth to the OT. I now think at the end of ANH, that Vader goes right to Kamino to see how many clones he is going to need to rebuild the Empire, before he gets yelled at by The Emperor after the Death Star is blown up.
There was really no way Lucas could have done this trilogy well without spoiling something, it is just too hard, and too much stuff would left out that ties it up. But that is the whole point why it should be watched 4-6, 1-3, the PT is a simple backstory, and if it were better, it would work great with the OT.
I agree, but that assumes there was actually something worth seeing in the prequel trilogy. Now I simply wish George had never tried tying anything together. He should have made a more distant story. Then again, I should say that a master writer could have still dealt with the same characters and themes while keeping the juicy, latter revelations unmolested.
Originally posted by: CO
But by Lucas giving all these petty tie ins of Jango Fett, Anakin making C-3PO, and Yoda having good relations with the wookies, it only cheapened the OT, cause it looked like he was running out of ideas. Lucas was probably like, "Well I don't know who originally owned C-3PO, let me have Anakin build him!" "I have to get this wookie planet in one of the movies, let me have Yoda go there." These things bring zero depth to the saga, and make it just plain stupid.
But by Lucas giving all these petty tie ins of Jango Fett, Anakin making C-3PO, and Yoda having good relations with the wookies, it only cheapened the OT, cause it looked like he was running out of ideas. Lucas was probably like, "Well I don't know who originally owned C-3PO, let me have Anakin build him!" "I have to get this wookie planet in one of the movies, let me have Yoda go there." These things bring zero depth to the saga, and make it just plain stupid.
Exactly. So much of the supposed "back story" isn't back story at all. Its cheap and unimaginative crap flung at OT story facets. Almost everything compelling about the PT’s story relies completely upon the way those very same elements were important in the OT. Unfortunately, nine times out of ten, what we see in the PT hurts everything more than it enhances.
Darth Vader is given the worst treatment in the PT. I always envisioned Darth Vader as having a dark and twisted tragedy enslaving him to the dark side. Instead, his turn to the dark side of the force is all about being a whiny, bitchy complainer! I hate Anakin from the PT! Sure, he wasn't as annoying in RotS as he was in AotC but he was still a completely irrational asshole. I cannot envision him as ever becoming Darth Vader or else I even come to hate the Darth Vader in the OT as some pathetic loser and that breaks my heart. It's actually sad. I can only enjoy the OT if I force everything from the PT out of my mind.
Originally posted by: CO
Stuff like the rise of Palpatine as a politican to Emperor, that is interesting! I never pictuerd The Emperor that way, and now that he rose to power, instead of just seizing power gives depth to the OT now for ROTJ. Take away Jango Fett and that stupid tiein, but the Clone Troopers being on the republics side, and Kenobi flying to Kamino to see them make the clones, gives an added depth to the OT. I now think at the end of ANH, that Vader goes right to Kamino to see how many clones he is going to need to rebuild the Empire, before he gets yelled at by The Emperor after the Death Star is blown up.
Hmm, I had always envisioned the emperor as having risen to power legitimately before seizing his ultimate power. Of course I knew there were other possibilities, but that path always seemed the most likely to me. In ANH we have the Death Star council discussing the removal of a senate as the last remnant of the "old republic" and that always conjured notions in my mind of the emperor using the force for evil political gains and then slowly destroyed the system that gave him his power.
Otherwise, I thought the “clones” as a story element were handled very badly. I didn't care about any of them at all, and it makes the Storm Troopers of the OT seem incredibly lame. I just go back to pretending they were elite combat troops as they were originally intended to be before George wrote the PT.
Also, the "Clone Wars" themselves actually made no sense in the PT and aren't consistent with how Luke and Obiwan discussed them. They weren't a series of "wars" since they were just one war and nobody lost anything important on either side except money. It was fought purely by totally-expendable droids and totally-expendable clones. How boring is that? No normal people like you or me could have ever gotten "involved" in such a ridiculous video game war. Based upon what George Lucas showed us, I don't see how, when, or why Luke's uncle could have ever told Anakin to have "not gotten involved" unless we assume Obiwan was lying to Luke about that too. What a freakin’ disappointment.
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