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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread — Page 38
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father: So what are you saying? That in ANH the rebels destroy a half built death star and in Jedi the are up against a complete one? Wasn't the whole point of the attack in Jedi that the Emperor tricked them into thinking it was incomplete when in reality it was fully operational?
Ok Yoda Is Your Father I think we are getting a little muddled. Just to clarify, the point of the Starkiller edit is to leave the two DSs alone, I understand that.
My point was that if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would give a better link to ‘Jedi’ and it would be there to indicate it is the DS II. However the Starkiller edit is (as I understand it) all six films rolled into one. So if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would have to be dropped from ‘Sith’.
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father:If that's the case, what happens at the end of ANH? Han and Luke rescue the princess then go straight to Hoth?
Ok Yoda Is Your Father I think we are getting a little muddled. Just to clarify, the point of the Starkiller edit is to leave the two DSs alone, I understand that.
My point was that if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would give a better link to ‘Jedi’ and it would be there to indicate it is the DS II. However the Starkiller edit is (as I understand it) all six films rolled into one. So if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would have to be dropped from ‘Sith’.
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father: Or are you saying there is only one death star throughout the 3 movies and we see it develop over the course of the 3 films until it is finally destroyed in the finale of Jedi?
In my edit, yes thats how I'm doing it. Some of my ideas I posted hereOriginally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father:If that's the case, what happens at the end of ANH? Han and Luke rescue the princess then go straight to Hoth?
That I haven't thought about yet
I really should think about starting my own thread.
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Originally posted by: Troy
My point was that if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would give a better link to ‘Jedi’ and it would be there to indicate it is the DS II. However the Starkiller edit is (as I understand it) all six films rolled into one. So if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would have to be dropped from ‘Sith’.
It was dumb having it at the end of ROTS anyway, and personally if you guys are going for a 6-part saga I think it would be best to drop the entire ending of ROTS and try to retain the 'I am your father' twist. i.e don't show Anakin becoming Vader or Padme giving birth. Just have them both 'die'. Of course, having Luke with the same surname as Anakin does make it a little hard to keep the surprise... My point was that if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would give a better link to ‘Jedi’ and it would be there to indicate it is the DS II. However the Starkiller edit is (as I understand it) all six films rolled into one. So if the scene from ‘Sith’ was used in ‘Empire’ it would have to be dropped from ‘Sith’.
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It was dumb having it at the end of ROTS anyway, and personally if you guys are going for a 6-part saga I think it would be best to drop the entire ending of ROTS and try to retain the 'I am your father' twist. i.e don't show Anakin becoming Vader or Padme giving birth. Just have them both 'die'. Of course, having Luke with the same surname as Anakin does make it a little hard to keep the surprise...
You could show just Luke being born and later after all the twist have been revealed, show the twins being born and Anakin become Vader.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Troy I am so glad that this was brought up by somebody because this could really be the missing piece to tie ESB to ROTJ. Because right now ROTJ is sort of floating out there by itself or at least thats what I think.
Troy I am so glad that this was brought up by somebody because this could really be the missing piece to tie ESB to ROTJ. Because right now ROTJ is sort of floating out there by itself or at least thats what I think.
I do agree to a point. I do think the rescue of Han as well just didn't fit with ROTJ, hopefully with one big edit that wont feel so tacked on.
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It’s a combination of stuff we’ve talked about here, and stuff I read over at TF.net.
We all know it’s pretty much impossible to insert a scene where Vader lands on Courascant (spelling?) and finds out about Luke. But what if it happened on his TIE?
Vader could hack onto the rebels radio wave (or whatever you’d call it) listening to some (if not all) of what they are saying during the battle. This could explain that little thing he’s always twisting around. (What-the-crap is that? A thermos?)
We could rerecord one of the other rebels’ lines of dialogue using the name “Skywalker” (instead of just “Luke”). Vader could hear the name and maybe repeat it: “Skywalkah!” as JEJ says it so beautifully!
So now we’re seeing Vader realize that it’s his son on-screen.But then, of course, Han shows up and there’s no time to do anything.
But if you don’t like that, we could have it happen after the death star going boom. Instead of rebels, we could have an imperial officer contact Vader with the name of Skywalker.
The officer could say something like: “blah, blah, blah, SKYWALKER…I will transfer the data to you and the emperor immediately…”
Vader interrupts and says: “No *couch* I’ll, uh, tell the emperor myself.”
Officer: ”As you wish, Lord Vader.”
This would explain why Vader seems to be hiding this from the emperor in ESB.
Now, just using existing Vader footage, reverse, slowdown, and/or rework it. If you need longer shots of Vader (because his inserts are pretty quick) you could find someone with the latest version of adobe after effects. In the new version, you can slow any piece of footage down significantly without it looking like it.
For those who wanna peak at it: http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/newfeatures.html
Then go to: See it in action, then click Timewarp.
It’s amazing! I wish I had the money for this!
Thoughts anyone?
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
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Personally, I’m not a big fan of this idea. The main reason being that the only scene with the emperor (from ESB) would be gone. I understand this is the saga edit, so we can’t be married to how it’s always been, but no emperor in The Empire Strikes Back? I’ll have to get use to that idea…
Unless we are talking about inserting a new scene into ESB…? This would probably be just as difficult.
I’m just trying to find a way to convey Vader finding out about his son without a lot of effects work…AND minimal reworking of scenes. Not to mention having to find alternate lines of dialogue for the main characters.
But I’m certainly not bashing the idea either. This might be one of the easiest solutions!
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
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I envision the first reveal in the trench like this:
INT. MASSASSI OUTPOST - WAR ROOM
Leia and the others stand watching the projected screen.
INT. DARTH VADER'S COCKPIT
REBEL BASE VOICE
(over speaker)
His computer's off. Skywalker, you switched off your targeting computer. What's wrong?
LUKE
(over speaker)
Nothing. I'm all right.
Vader is taken by surprise, and looks out from his cockpit.
VADER
What?!
Vader's targeting computer swings around into position. Vader takes careful aim on Luke's X-wing fighter.
VADER
Skywalker! I have you now.
He pushes the fire buttons.
EXT. SURFACE OF THE DEATH STAR
The three TIE fighters move in on Luke. As Vader's center fighter unleashes a volley of laserfire, one of the TIE ships at his side is hit and explodes into flame. The two remaining ships continue to move in.
Later...
INT. VADERS MEDITATION CHAMBER
Darth Vader kneels before a giant holographic image of his master, Emperor Palpatine. (Palpatine's theme music is heard in the background).
Vader: "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Palpatine: "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
Vader: "How is that possible?"
Palpatine: "Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You know it to be true."
I really want to keep the lines of Palpatine telling Vader to search his feelings as they have a nice parallel with the big reveal at Bespin.
Luke: "No... that's not true... that's impossible..."
Vader: "Search your feelings, you know them to be true."
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My main point is any model shots of DS II that could be incorporated elsewhere.
And also is there any footage from video games that can be used
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Vader would not try to kill luke once he found out who he was because he wanted luke to help him kill the emperor in th next movie. It would create bad continuity.
I dunno. In the death Star trench he could panic and want to kill Luke but later he has time to think 'maybe I can benefit from hime being around'. And I like the idea of a 'later' scene in which the Emperor confirms that the boy who destroyed the death star was Anakin's son (as opposed to some random dude also called skywalker). This is all good stuff IMO.Vader would not try to kill luke once he found out who he was because he wanted luke to help him kill the emperor in th next movie. It would create bad continuity.
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I've been reading this thread off and on since it started so forgive me if I've missed something but do we really need to see how Vader found out lukes name? I never had a problem with it happening off-screen, the ideas are good and I can see how Vader overhearing the radio could work quite well, but....
This seems to be straying into Lucas' prequel-style storytelling, answering questions that don't need answers, like how the droids became the property of captain antillies and how the emporers face came to look the way it did, these were just bad in ROTS and we didn't need to see them, and it's the kind of pointless storytelling I was hoping this edit was removing not adding.
No offence intended, I just don't see the point in this addition.
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So, I would have to go back on what I said earlier:
I am now NOT a fan of having Vader find out Luke is his son…IN THE TRENCH.
But perhaps afterwards (as I also suggested) would still work.
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Sluggo: I can’t say I like the idea of splitting up the SE dialogue into another scene.
Vader: "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Palpatine: "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
Vader: "How is that possible?"
Palpatine: "Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You know it to be true."
This just sounds like incomplete lines of dialogue…not to mention an incomplete scene. Unless we had some additional lines to insert, I don’t see how this could work. But that’s just me.
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I think I understand your concerns about this Vader finding out about Luke thing.
I have the same question: Why does everything that happen in the OT have to be explained in the PT?
I mean, 3PO is Vader’s FATHER?!?! It’s a small Star Wars universe after all, huh?
I don’t see this idea in the same category.
If we are making a saga edit (which tends to put Vader/Anakin in the foreground) then this idea makes sense.
The question becomes (in my mind) WHEN does Vader find out? Between ANH and ESB? Lame!
But, again, these are my thoughts…
I hope I’m not coming off as a know-it-all, guys! Just throwing my 2 cents out there!
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
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What if we can get a scene were the Emperor overthrows the Senate. Just take a clip of him from ROTS with his back facing the Senate (of course flip it and change the color around to make it look different) and have have him say something brief like "We are in no longer need of a Senate, I will be the only ruler of this Galaxy". I don't know I'm just thinking off the top of my head right now. Maybe we could have someone record themselve in a voice like the Emperor's. Then cut to the Senate yelling and stuff, and have his little saucer thing go away. I don't know if this would even be possible but just though I would give my idea
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.I like the idea of having a scene's bonus disc Sluggo.
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I don't know what new dialogue was added in the 2004 DVDs to the Emporer tells Vader he has a son scene, but in the original versions, if I am not mistaken, he tells Vader that the son of Anakin is still alive and Vader acts unsurprised. If we are trying to explain Vader learning of Luke in Episode 4 in order to have him know of him before the Empire Strikes Back, then what is to say that Vader had not suspected the exsistence of his son long before now. Perhaps he was just too stupid to check with his step-brother who was living on his home planet with an adopted son holding the surname Skywalker, or maybe that was just Lucas' lack of ability to tell a believable story.
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Has there been any progress lately on the Episode I edit? Can you throw us any crumbs to whet our appetites?
Thanks!
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?