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PT Bashing? What brought it back?

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I know I don't have many posts but I've been a visitor of this site for a while now and I've noticed here lately an increase in PT bashing. Not that I like the PT because I don't and I have joined in on the fun, it just struck me odd because there was a brief time that the bashing was starting to calm down. Now practically every new thread I see has something to do with ripping apart the PT. Once again, I'm not bitching about it, I'm just curious and starting to feel like we're beating a dead horse.
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I think a lot of the popularity is the sudden influx of new users from the Basher's Sanctuary. I can't confirm that. I haven't done any research, and I admit that CO has started a lot of them, too, and he's an old hand around here, but the timeframe does correlate pretty well.

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Probably because of that HBO thing. Seeing ROTS openned up old wounds for many of us, while some of us were exposed to the wounds we didn't know we had. (i.e. "Hey! That was a great football game guys! ...wait a minute. I'm bleeding. Where did this come from? Augh! My arm is cut! When did this happen? Ow! Damn! I hate football.")
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I don't really care for football either.
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It definitely was ROTS on HBO which is on almost everyday by the way! I admit to starting more PT bashing threads than most around here, but I am only mad at the PT cause it changed the OT movies we have to watch now. And because of the PT, we have to get shit quality for the OT DVD's. I make up these threads to prove that this audience is overrated in their love for the movies, and way overestimated in the size. They are niche fanbase, that I feel alot of them won't care about the PT 20 years from now. Sure there are diehards, but that is the case with any movie.

I have nothing against the PT if it didn't change the OT, and I have never been one of those fans who are mad at Lucas cause he didn't do this in the PT, or that in the PT, the PT is what it is, and I say take it or leave it. But if it weren't the PT, Lucas would have never been so dead set on the OT change as the norm, cause he wouldn't be trying the tie the sagas together. Now it is for every release, "what can I screw up more on the OT movies that will now jive with the PT." Example # 1: Hayden in ROTJ, I hate that change with a passion, and it forces me to watch crappy bootlegs of my favorite movies, that constantly freeze up.

I will be buying the Sept 12th Non-Anamorphic Release, and cause of that it just reminds that Lucas has totally shifted to the PT audience and giving them everything we want. And that is a slap in the face to all these fans who bought everything from 1977-1997. Unfortunately we are married as a fanbase now, but I am going to expose that they are not as diehard as Lucas thinks.
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I like my bootlegs and have considered just sticking with them because I don't want to have to buy the SE again.

I understand the dislike for the PT, I really do and I agree with most points brought up about them. I also hate that the better movies, 4-6, keep getting changed to fit better with the shitty one, 1-3. I was just wondering why this topic was brought back with such force but having ep3 play on hbo daily and new visitors to the site makes sence.
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Originally posted by: DorK313
I like my bootlegs and have considered just sticking with them because I don't want to have to buy the SE again.

I understand the dislike for the PT, I really do and I agree with most points brought up about them. I also hate that the better movies, 4-6, keep getting changed to fit better with the shitty one, 1-3. I was just wondering why this topic was brought back with such force but having ep3 play on hbo daily and new visitors to the site makes sence.


That's fair to wonder about the glut of PT bashing lately. But trust once Labor Day roles around, and we start getting reviews on the O-OT DVD's on various websites, the PT won't even be talked about for a long time here.

But I'll be honest, if anyone wants me to knock it off with the PT bashing threads, just let me know, cause if you guys are getting sick of them, I will stop, I don't mind being criticized. Though in my topics, I try to put a different spin other than bitchin the movies aren't great, but why do these fans love them? What do they find great?

And the big whopper, why does these morons find The Original Star Wars from 1977 meh? That is a topic on TF.n, and ALOT of the PT gushers agree, and that really drives me nuts, cause that tells me there are watching it all for effects and action. And fans who do that will move on to the next CG flavor of the month movie.
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But I'll be honest, if anyone wants me to knock it off with the PT bashing threads, just let me know, cause if you guys are getting sick of them, I will stop, I don't mind being criticized. Though in my topics, I try to put a different spin other than bitchin the movies aren't great, but why do these fans love them? What do they find great?

I wasn't saying all that. Post whatever you like, that's what forums are for. I was just curious as to what started this particular topic again. As for TF.n, I recently visited one of their forums just to see what all the noise was about. I was very disturbed to find people actually arguing on why midichlorians (sp?) we're a good addition to the story. WTF? They were actually saying it was cool. Anyway, bashing them is already well taken care of in other forums.
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Originally posted by: CO
Now it is for every release, "what can I screw up more on the OT movies that will now jive with the PT." Example # 1: Hayden in ROTJ, I hate that change with a passion, and it forces me to watch crappy bootlegs of my favorite movies, that constantly freeze up..


I've heard a few posters in the forum who claim they won't buy the legit OOT and continue bootlegging so it's good to hear someone will actually pay to see Star wars still. I'd like to think star wars fans aint gonna all be cheap asses like people who refuse to buy music cd's and will only download bootlegs.
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What about those of us who have already paid money for all the star wars movies on dvd, laserdisc, and vhs? I own the movies on all 3 formats including the special edition dvd's. Now I have to buy the se dvd's again so I can have the O-OT on dvd legally. Excuse me but fuck that! I don't want a second copy of SE nor am I going to bother mailing them back to lucas or whatever, that'll just cost me more money even if it is a dollar or so. You can't really sum up everybody who is just going to stick with thier bootlegs as cheap asses when we've already bought the damn movies 3 times!
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I've already got my new set on pre-order. And I'm patiently awaiting the X0 project because it will undoubtedly be better, but having the official one will give me much firmer ground for owing the X0 version.
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I'm not trying to say people shouldn't buy them. I was just saying we all can't be considered cheap just because we're considering not buying the newest release.
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Originally posted by: iamstillhiro1112
Originally posted by: CO
I've heard a few posters in the forum who claim they won't buy the legit OOT and continue bootlegging so it's good to hear someone will actually pay to see Star wars still. I'd like to think star wars fans aint gonna all be cheap asses like people who refuse to buy music cd's and will only download bootlegs.



I do own the SE too, cause I don't hate all the changes with a passion, just the ROTJ changes, I can't watch that version. I just want the option, thats all of us fans can choose which version in great quality to watch.

And that is why I think this whole vision thing by Lucas is a bunch of bullshit, and the PT fans have bought into it. All it is for Lucas to hope that all the public thinks of the saga as 1-6, so he can sell 6 DVD's in a boxset instead of two different trilogies to different markets. The whole changes thing in 2004 were just another attempt at getting fans to now look at the saga as 1-6, instead of putting out movies that link up, and everyone would see it 1-6 regardless.

I still think Lucas should have made the PT its whole seperate entity. And make the story more macro like the OT. Have the main theme the falling of the republic with the Empire rising, and that would link up with the OT story of rebels vs empire. The story would still revolve around Anakin/Kenobi/and Padme, but it wouldn't be just about Anakins story, it would give each character ample time like the OT.

The OT story was never about Lukes life, cause it only showed about 3 years of it. It was about how a bunch of underdogs can beat back a tyrannical empire, and that was the moral. Now we have 3 movies about the micro story of Darth Vader, and three movies about the macro story of rebels vs empire. How the hell are we suppose to link that up and watch it seamlessly 1-6?

With Lucas doing a macro PT story like I stated, the whole Jake Lloyd aged Anakin could have been dropped, and the events of the PT could have taken place with 3-5 years like the OT, and TPM could have gotten off to a great start, instead of being a setup to another setup movie.

Lucas is trying to sell this 1-6 shit as the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, and part of the fanbase aint buying it, and many older fans I know who didn't even see the prequels could care less about Young Anakins' problems. Even my 8 year old nephew only likes ROTS from the PT, so he has even figured out where the story begins! Lucas is pushing 1-6 instead of letting the market decide, and just giving the fans everything in good quality. Thats the problem.
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Wha??!?!?!?

PT bashing???

Please, carry on!
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I came here because of the recent DVD news. I like reading the information that people post here. You all seem rather intelligent, so I decided to post as well. And, since I think the PT is horrible, I will communicate that sentiment. What's the big mystery?


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I'm pretty sure that having the OOT come out on a sub-par release helped grease the bashing wheels as well.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I've already got my new set on pre-order. And I'm patiently awaiting the X0 project because it will undoubtedly be better, but having the official one will give me much firmer ground for owing the X0 version.


Exactly, after debating to get them or not I decided to buy them that way I have alegit excused for owning the X0 project and other great transfers.
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For a time things were calming down about the PT. We all agreed, for the most part, about the problems it had and it seemed the conversation had started to become old news. Then suddenly threads started popping up again with all sorts of new posts pretty much covering what has already been said. Once again, I'm no fan of the PT either, I was just curious as to why we decided to pick up our clubs and beat at it some more. It's not a pinata, we aren't going to find candy inside you know but then again I can see the sence of satisfaction to be able to look at it lying on the ground dead.
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I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the PT either, if it hadn't changed the OT. The OT used to be really good. The PT is what it is...it's always sucked IMO. That's okay. It didn't used to be good and then get altered to suck.
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And the big whopper, why does these morons find The Original Star Wars from 1977 meh? That is a topic on TF.n, and ALOT of the PT gushers agree, and that really drives me nuts, cause that tells me there are watching it all for effects and action. And fans who do that will move on to the next CG flavor of the month movie.


They're idiots, and not fans of the original Star Wars trilogy.

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Originally posted by: DorK313
For a time things were calming down about the PT. We all agreed, for the most part, about the problems it had and it seemed the conversation had started to become old news. Then suddenly threads started popping up again with all sorts of new posts pretty much covering what has already been said. Once again, I'm no fan of the PT either, I was just curious as to why we decided to pick up our clubs and beat at it some more. It's not a pinata, we aren't going to find candy inside you know but then again I can see the sence of satisfaction to be able to look at it lying on the ground dead.


Hmm, true. I wouldn't want to be critcizing the the PT out of malice or pride. But, i do believe it is useful and interesting to give meaningful discussion to the prequel trilogy's flaws. At the very least, it gets my mind thinking about proper aesthetics.

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I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the PT either, if it hadn't changed the OT. The OT used to be really good. The PT is what it is...it's always sucked IMO. That's okay. It didn't used to be good and then get altered to suck.

Now I never said I didn't have a problem with the PT! There aren't too many scenes that I truely enjoy in all 3 movies.
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I joined recently and I don’t start many threads because of that. Still I have noticed that there are more anti-PT threads that have started in the last two weeks or so.

Many threads start out about the OT and end up in PT Bashing. I think CO hit the reason for that center mass; the PT has resulted in changes to the OT. The CGI is annoying in the PT, but when it’s inserted into the OT is boarders on blasphemy.
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