Gaffer, unless my memory fails me none of those bundles (and there were others over time) where at launch. also bundles like this are not packaged by nintendo but rather by the retailer. while its true nes came with games there were various different bundles and i couldn't tell you what was the release package. i don't recall if snes had a game packaged with its launch but i think genesis had sonic and 1 controller.

after the system has been out for a bit they usually have bundles, generally special packages (n64 w/pod racer or n64 w/dk country). and iirc these where either slightly more or happened after the first price drop.

nintendo kept the system packaged with 2 controllers and/or a game the longest and their last 2 releases where 1 controller and no game .

now, this is not to say i dont think a system shouldnt come with 2 controllers and a game but thats a thing of the past and i doubt systems will release like that again (actually increases system cost).

so of all the systems you mentioned getting which were at launch and which weren't, cause that changes 'what your used to'.

basically if nintendo brings it out at 199 or less that will be system and 1 controller no games. any 'bundles' at launch will be retailer made. if it does come with wii sports price will def be 249.99 though my guess is 249.99 system and 1 controller accessories/games similar to those of n64/gc at launch $10 more max

-Darth Simon

*edit* i voted >299 based on what i said figuring it will be about $330 (to $350) for that package