Originally posted by: Blackjack
the good thing about this is that your dad will be spared seeing Hayden's evil leer photoshoped into the ending. if he hated the original ending, that one would make him scream.
that aside, I feel that A New Hope and Empire strikes back are Pointless without the original Return of the Jedi.
the ending, with the reunions, the triumphant upbeat music, and the defining performance of Sebastian Shaw as anakin's ghost (I don't know about everybody else, but that scene made Obi-wan's words "Anakin was a good friend" and "The Good Man who was your father" perfectly Valid, much more so than what hayden was allowed to portray), is my favorate movie ending of all time.
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
My dad doesn't like ROTJ at all. He only owned ANH and ESB on laserdisc, but didn't want the 3rd one. I asked him why and he said something to the effect of "Burping aliens and fuzzy bears; this isn't the Star Wars I remember. Oh and Vader killed millions of people, but because he saved his son he gets to go to jedi heaven. Pfffft."
I, however, have never had a problem with it. Granted I think the burping alien is a little to juvinile for me, but I can over look it (Lucas' colors starting to come through in that one).
I saw ROTJ as a story where military strength, technology, and man power aren't always the winning factor. Sometimes the best victory comes through innocence and a willing spirit (i.e. the Ewoks). The Empire never saw it coming. That is why the Emperor couldn't foresee it. Good was clouding his vision.
And Vader getting redeamed at the end is a classic Jesus Christ teaching that I hold very dear to my heart. That no mater what you have done, and no mater who you are, you will always be loved (i.e. Luke's love parallels that of Jesus') and you are never so far into the darkside that you can't come back and be saved. No one is a "lost cause."
I cry every time Yoda dies, and have never found the dialogue in the film to be anything but wonderful. The summer of 1983 was the season I was born, and at that same moment Return of the Jedi was playing at #1 in theaters around the country. It's my personal slice of the original trilogy that I will cherish forever.
Say what you will about ROTJ, but it holds a special place in my heart.
My dad doesn't like ROTJ at all. He only owned ANH and ESB on laserdisc, but didn't want the 3rd one. I asked him why and he said something to the effect of "Burping aliens and fuzzy bears; this isn't the Star Wars I remember. Oh and Vader killed millions of people, but because he saved his son he gets to go to jedi heaven. Pfffft."
I, however, have never had a problem with it. Granted I think the burping alien is a little to juvinile for me, but I can over look it (Lucas' colors starting to come through in that one).
I saw ROTJ as a story where military strength, technology, and man power aren't always the winning factor. Sometimes the best victory comes through innocence and a willing spirit (i.e. the Ewoks). The Empire never saw it coming. That is why the Emperor couldn't foresee it. Good was clouding his vision.
And Vader getting redeamed at the end is a classic Jesus Christ teaching that I hold very dear to my heart. That no mater what you have done, and no mater who you are, you will always be loved (i.e. Luke's love parallels that of Jesus') and you are never so far into the darkside that you can't come back and be saved. No one is a "lost cause."
I cry every time Yoda dies, and have never found the dialogue in the film to be anything but wonderful. The summer of 1983 was the season I was born, and at that same moment Return of the Jedi was playing at #1 in theaters around the country. It's my personal slice of the original trilogy that I will cherish forever.
Say what you will about ROTJ, but it holds a special place in my heart.
the good thing about this is that your dad will be spared seeing Hayden's evil leer photoshoped into the ending. if he hated the original ending, that one would make him scream.
that aside, I feel that A New Hope and Empire strikes back are Pointless without the original Return of the Jedi.
the ending, with the reunions, the triumphant upbeat music, and the defining performance of Sebastian Shaw as anakin's ghost (I don't know about everybody else, but that scene made Obi-wan's words "Anakin was a good friend" and "The Good Man who was your father" perfectly Valid, much more so than what hayden was allowed to portray), is my favorate movie ending of all time.
absolutely agreed, on both quotes. I still have some nostalgic love for all the movies no matter what... Objectively however, rotj is the weakest of the originals, but still provides that essential conclusion to the story left dangling wide open after esb. anh is the only one that could stand on its own storywise without the rest imo.
I watch it now and am still blown way out of my chair by the conclusion with the emperor/luke/vader. it's perfect. Probably the best single moment of all star wars films rivalling esb's climactic duel and revelation. If only the rest of the film was up there in quality. the actors all continue to play their roles well enough for me and the whole sense of commradre and organic emotion impact on these people is all there unlike the newer films. Jabba's palace is a joke, one big poo doo of a joke, but as a guy I'm entertained by my lovely slave leia... hey hey.. so I can stand all the stupid comedy crap that happens there.
ewoks... Now here's a reversal. some here say the pt makes you appreciate rotj more. well that's definitely true for me except for the ewoks. the wookie battle in rots makes me wish these fuzzy cute bear things were replaced with wookies somehow. It's just... ok it's not too farfetched to believe the ewoks won the first skirmish with the troops because they caught them off guard, but these are the emp's best troops, legions of them in fact. Let's get real... these guys defeated jedi with ease...
c'mon
anyway, rotj's an enjoyable sequel that could have been better, yeah. I never hated it though. I even still have my fav carrie fischer poster from the film hanging above my desk... ah.. yeah it's the golden bikini poster.