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What scene in the (O-)OT do you hate/dislike the most? — Page 4
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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The scene I hate the absolute MOST is in ESB 2004 edition, when the emperor talks to Darth Vader. While it was a good idea to replace the old emporer with the one in the rest of the series, the scene screws up so much in the area of drama. In ESB 2004, we see his face in full. In 1980, the point was that we DON'T see his face, so it is more dramatic in ROTJ. Also, the Emporer tells Vader Luke is his son, not only ruining the ending but changing Vader's whole charecter. For one, there was no way in hell Vader didn't know Luke was his son. Padme was pregnant. She had a kid, he knew this. Luke SKYWALKER, Vader's last name. Anyway, my biggest gripe with Vader only knowing from this moment on is that his redemption is less powerful in 2004. It is much more meaningful when we know Vader has been trying to kill Luke for two solid movies, even when he knew full well he was his son, and in the end, he found that he just couldn't do it when the time finally came.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Why was the Greedo scene in there at all if there was going to be a Jabba scene ten seconds later?
Why was the Greedo scene in there at all if there was going to be a Jabba scene ten seconds later?
Yeah, they could have added a line for Greedo so he says something like "oh, Jabba's over at your ship, by the way."
And as someone else pointed out, it's better not having that scene in there at all, as it shows the Falcon (not a lot of it, but still) and that kinda spoils Luke's reaction to seeing it later on a bit. We see that dirty old "piece of junk" the same time he does without any hints of it before, and that's kinda nice.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape Wow, Scruffy, this is a lot of insight into something I admit I've never really given a lot of thought to. Cool stuff.
I’m guessing based on the use of the term REMF (Rear Echelon Mother Fuckers; essentially combat support/combat service support personnel i.e S1/G1 admin types, Cooks, Mechanics, et al) that Scruffy is either a Veteran or a Military Brat.
Based on his familiarity with tactics and SOP I’d guess it’s most probable that Scruffy is a Veteran. The following statement is especially telling:
“Docking Bay 94 was a case of an officer or NCO getting time-sensitive intelligence and rushing a unit into a mission it wasn't trained for.”
Here Scruffy illustrates that a leader (Officer/NCO) has a good grasp of what his theoretical responsibilities are (to “seek responsibility and take responsibility for my actions”), but does not have full grasp of his unit’s capabilities. The leader Scruffy described was following the NCO Creed to, “exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders.” That being the case I’ll lay odds that Scruffy was an NCO in the US Army.
If my train of logic is correct then I extend a heartfelt “Huah” and “Air Assault” to Scruffy from a former 98J202T.
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I'm only a Reserve SPC, btw. Never been anywhere, never done anything. But if I can pass for a BTDT NCO, then something in the training must be sticking. Hooah!
While we're on the subject, what do you think about approaching Star Wars as a legitimate fictional military history? I've found that those who approach the Trilogy as such, like Saxtonor Wong tend to have the most interesting discussions.
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy Darth-Adroit ... Can I print that out and use it for my next board? "Sir, this guy says that I have a firm grasp of small unit leadership and the role of an NCO. It was on a message board, sir. A Star Wars message board. We were discussing the cordon and search of Mos Eisley, and I was defending the position that Luke and the droids ... yessir, mountain climbers, how many?"
I'm only a Reserve SPC, btw. Never been anywhere, never done anything. But if I can pass for a BTDT NCO, then something in the training must be sticking. Hooah!
While we're on the subject, what do you think about approaching Star Wars as a legitimate fictional military history? I've found that those who approach the Trilogy as such, like Saxtonor Wong tend to have the most interesting discussions.
I'm only a Reserve SPC, btw. Never been anywhere, never done anything. But if I can pass for a BTDT NCO, then something in the training must be sticking. Hooah!
While we're on the subject, what do you think about approaching Star Wars as a legitimate fictional military history? I've found that those who approach the Trilogy as such, like Saxtonor Wong tend to have the most interesting discussions.
You are more than welcome to print it and put it on your resume. Shit send me a counseling form and I’ll do it up for you. Of course it would carry no weight because I’ve been out since 2000.
The training does work and some of it always stays with you. My friends and co-workers think I’m crazy because I use a dozen different routes to and from work, but I really can’t help it. My MI training means I can’t avoid using counter-intelligence. I’m willing to bet that you can’t take a shot without remembering BRM and the four fundamentals. I use BRM with my son’s Nerf guns.
Let me take a look at the links you provided and do some thinking before I consider Star Wars as fictional Military History. I can tell you right away the PT in general and ROTS in particular is out of the question. Now let me stop before I go on another “buzz droids” rant.
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That one can take so many different directions (I usually hear lots of useless banter about the power of weapons in each universe). I've always thought it would be cool to have a scene in TNG where Data says something about an unidentified vessel on long-range sensors, then Picard says to put it onscreen and magnify the image, and lo and behold, it's a Super Star Destroyer!
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Originally posted by: Ripplin
Heh, Star Wars vs. Star Trek... That one can take so many different directions (I usually hear lots of useless banter about the power of weapons in each universe).
I've always thought it would be cool to have a scene in TNG where Data says something about an unidentified vessel on long-range sensors, then Picard says to put it onscreen and magnify the image, and lo and behold, it's a Super Star Destroyer!
Heh, Star Wars vs. Star Trek...
That one can take so many different directions (I usually hear lots of useless banter about the power of weapons in each universe). I've always thought it would be cool to have a scene in TNG where Data says something about an unidentified vessel on long-range sensors, then Picard says to put it onscreen and magnify the image, and lo and behold, it's a Super Star Destroyer!
Close to what you were describing.
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EDIT: I take it back- the scene in Jedi where they show the ewok getting killed- I hate that part.
However, I still wouldn't change it. They HAD to show at least ONE ewok getting killed, I guess! LOL 
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.