Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
You want an OT contradiction that can make your head hurt if you think too much about it? Return of the Jedi, as with ESB, Vader's entire motivation is to get Luke to turn to the dark side. He has selfish reasons for this, as he reveals in Empire.
The climax of Jedi is the Emperor working his magic to win Luke over the dark side with Vader cheering from the sidelines. When Luke finally gives into his anger and hate, takes up his saber and tries to kill the Emperor, something Vader tried talking him into in ESB...Vader stops him from doing so! That would have been it. Vader's two wishes would have been granted...Luke turns to the dark side AND kills the Emperor. Bonus!
But since Lucas couldn't come up with a better plot device and is a hack writer, he couldn't be bothered thinking something else up. Instead, we have this duel (and it is all about the action) where Vader keeps goading Luke, and tempting him to the dark side. He was just there! He gave into the dark side! He acted out of rage and hate against the Emperor, who Vader had no reason to protect as he had already invited Luke to join him and destroy the Emperor. Nothing about the throne room scenes makes any logical sense up until Palpy begins killing Luke.
You want an OT contradiction that can make your head hurt if you think too much about it? Return of the Jedi, as with ESB, Vader's entire motivation is to get Luke to turn to the dark side. He has selfish reasons for this, as he reveals in Empire.
The climax of Jedi is the Emperor working his magic to win Luke over the dark side with Vader cheering from the sidelines. When Luke finally gives into his anger and hate, takes up his saber and tries to kill the Emperor, something Vader tried talking him into in ESB...Vader stops him from doing so! That would have been it. Vader's two wishes would have been granted...Luke turns to the dark side AND kills the Emperor. Bonus!
But since Lucas couldn't come up with a better plot device and is a hack writer, he couldn't be bothered thinking something else up. Instead, we have this duel (and it is all about the action) where Vader keeps goading Luke, and tempting him to the dark side. He was just there! He gave into the dark side! He acted out of rage and hate against the Emperor, who Vader had no reason to protect as he had already invited Luke to join him and destroy the Emperor. Nothing about the throne room scenes makes any logical sense up until Palpy begins killing Luke.
Quite incorrect. Darth Vader fully intended to bring Luke before the emperor in ESB. He was using that line primarily as a way to provoke Luke's selfish ambition and perhaps persuade him to surrender. Even ignoring that clear element though, maybe Darth Vader would have liked to overthrow the emperor in some way, but that would have had to have been on his own terms, and by the time Luke finally surrendered in Jedi, it was fully on the emperor's terms. I see no contradiction.