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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM — Page 14

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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
That blooper/outtake stuff is probably trims from the workprint, not negative.



The workprint is shown--its black and white and virtually unwatchable. The trims are not from any cut of the film, they are actual unused footage.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
I'm sure the quality will be acceptably watchable for SD television owners. However, "Acceptable for SD" is not what DVD is designed for. Anyone with a widescreen set, an HD, LCD, Plasma or a DVD-ROM will quickly discover the poor quality of the transfer.
DVD's are SD. Plasma and LCD have fixed pixels, that means 720x480 fixed pixels in NTSC countries, and if they want to play back a PAL DVD, which is 720x576 ... they have to display it at 720x480. The same with NTSC in Pal countries, ntsc movies in 720x480 has to be displayed at 720x576 on Plasma or LCD.

DVD-ROM on the other hand, has to resize ANY video for display on a computer monitor regardless of if it's pal, ntsc, anamorphic or non-anamorphic - so assuming the source video is non-anamorphic... what makes you think an anamorphic conversion of it will look better on a PC?

Guys, I'd be very interested in seeing a comparison between the ntsc and pal video when the DVD is released, because *one* of the two will be resized from the source material, I wonder if PAL will have more picture information, ... or if it'll just be an up-scaled version...
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You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
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Originally posted by: boris
I'd be very interested in seeing a comparison between the ntsc and pal video when the DVD is released, because *one* of the two will be resized from the source material


How do you figure?

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Plasma and LCD have fixed pixels, that means 720x480 fixed pixels in NTSC countries


I was under the impression that Plasma/LCD panels had higher resolution than that (obviously the HD ones do, but SD too), and everything was scaled (it all gets horribly processed anyway). Could be wrong though.

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At least that 'official statement' from Lucasfilm lets us know that they have no intentions of restoring the OT. I look forward to seeing what we can do with the new release. I intend to use the ROTJ OT disc for Returning to Jedi. It may mean a short delay but I think it will be worth it.

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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
There was a bunch of talk earlier about what pieces of the original film elements survive. Here's a question -

Why was it so easy to add in the Biggs footage prior to the Battle of Yavin for the SE release, and why does it look so great? This was obviously not part of the original film, but it was spliced in seamlessly and looked perfect, despite being 20 years old.

How is it that a single cutscene could be in better shape than the rest of the OT?

Forgive me if I'm being naive.
The reason the Jabba and Biggs material look as good as they do is precisely because they weren't in the film to begin with. SW has the curse of being a popular film, which means many prints were struck off of the original negatives, leading to dirt and scratches. It also had the misfortune of having many shots filmed with an unstable film stock, which was prone to color fading. Lucas, being a self proclaimed packrat kept the cut footage, and luckily it survived in pretty good shape. However, the the original negative of the film is another story.
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Plasma and LCD have fixed pixels, that means 720x480 fixed pixels in NTSC countries


I was under the impression that Plasma/LCD panels had higher resolution than that (obviously the HD ones do, but SD too), and everything was scaled (it all gets horribly processed anyway). Could be wrong though.

DE


I believe they are 852 x 480 for SD. The HD ones are 1280 x 768.
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Originally posted by: THX
Yes, they could, but they would be making things worse for the vast majority of consumers, who will be watching on 4:3 TVs. By the time HD 16:9 is standard, all SD discs will be outdated, whether letterboxed or anamorphic. Given the source, the letterbox release will actually be better for most people during its lifetime.


This shows a simple misunderstanding of how DVD and more importantly anamorphic DVD works. There is no downside for anamorphic. If you have your DVD player set properly you will not notice a difference on standard TVs. If you have a 4x3 TV and the DVD player is set for a 16x9 one then, yes it'll look funny.

I'll grant that you only see the downsides of NON-anamorphic when you have a modern 16x9 TV. But why accept mediocrity, especially from Luca$? It may not matter to you now, but it will eventually. The fact that they are playing the "it's too expensive" card is amazing to me. How much money have those versions made him?

This is the last time we're going to get a shot at these.

Lucas has created a wonderful catch 22. If they don't sell he gets to say, see nobody wanted the theatrical versions. If they do sell, he can say, I've already put it on DVD, now leave me alone.

Cunning

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Originally posted by: ZottigThis is the last time we're going to get a shot at these.

Lucas has created a wonderful catch 22. If they don't sell he gets to say, see nobody wanted the theatrical versions. If they do sell, he can say, I've already put it on DVD, now leave me alone.

Cunning

Ben


Lucas added that he's still working on his "Star Wars" 3-D theatrical project as well, but when asked when it might come out, he laughed. "I don't know!" he said. "Eventually. We're working on that technology, seeing if we can get that to work out."

Until then, he says he's curious to see what the reception will be for the upcoming limited-edition DVD release of the three original "Star Wars" films. "It's just the original versions, as they were," Lucas said. "We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that."

You might say quite a few, considering how many fans were angered by the digitized, expanded updates of episodes IV, V and VI. Lucas claims he's not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. "Now we'll find out whether they <i>really</i> wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

- from http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1531527/story.jhtml

That Catch 22 is for dang sure. I was mad at first, but now I think everyone needs to buy the September release just to prove how much demand there is for the OT. If no one buys this, there is absolutely zero chance a better release will come out further down the road. This could be just Lucas testing the waters for the potential. I say we all call Lucas bluff. Let's make this set sell better than the 2004 set.
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
That Catch 22 is for dang sure. I was mad at first, but now I think everyone needs to buy the September release just to prove how much demand there is for the OT. If no one buys this, there is absolutely zero chance a better release will come out further down the road. This could be just Lucas testing the waters for the potential. I say we all call Lucas bluff. Let's make this set sell better than the 2004 set.


How about this: You pay me 50 bucks, and maybe I'll release the OOT in anamorphic widescreen next year. You never know

I'll even thrown in some crappy DVD coverart.

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Originally posted by: andy_k_250That Catch 22 is for dang sure. I was mad at first, but now I think everyone needs to buy the September release just to prove how much demand there is for the OT. If no one buys this, there is absolutely zero chance a better release will come out further down the road. This could be just Lucas testing the waters for the potential. I say we all call Lucas bluff. Let's make this set sell better than the 2004 set.


Either way. The OOT will be released again some time. Lucasfilm knows how angered fans were over the quality of the release so if it doesn't do as well as they thought they will know exactly why; they are not dumb. Buying this in the hopes of "proving Lucas wrong" is just throwing your money down the toilet. If you genuinely feel compelled to buy the set, by all means do so, but if you dont want it then save your money. I think whatever our actions are for this release they will have no effect on an upcoming release. Personally, I'll wait and see how good the video looks; I've been thinking about picking up ANH and seeing if its worth buying the rest.

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I say we all call Lucas bluff. Let's make this set sell better than the 2004 set.


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May the 4th be with you.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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I am curious as to whether the Original Trilogy LEGO Star Wars video game will have SE things in it or not. That would be great if the makers ignored SE stuff altogether.
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Many people have suggested different ways of rendering the special edition discs unusable, throwing them away or sending them back to Lucas. For those of us in Region 1 who really want the official dvd of the originals but don't feel eager to "give in", I have an idea. Why not buy the release that already has the se disc made even worse. In other words, get the pan & scan version.

Think about it. The original version will be widescreen either way. I think it's more appropriate and fitting to get the special edition chopped in half because that's basically what Lucas did to the film in '97 & '04. Most if not all of the people who want the original films in their unaltered form never would buy full screen of any widescreen movie. I think it will leave much less doubt than what little there was that anyone who buys the new set wants the originals. See the butchered film the way it was meant to be seen, in its butchered form. Hayden won't be appear on the screen as long. Plus, it will look even worse on a widescreen tv, even more ridiculous than the non anamorphic dvds.

Take back the trilogy. Execute Order '77

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Visual masochism. Have fun with that!
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Many people have suggested different ways of rendering the special edition discs unusable, throwing them away or sending them back to Lucas. For those of us in Region 1 who really want the official dvd of the originals but don't feel eager to "give in", I have an idea. Why not buy the release that already has the se disc made even worse. In other words, get the pan & scan version.
Are you sure that the P&S release will be widescreen for the OOT? I can't believe he releases them in P&S in america... it's almost as if he's flipping off his home country!
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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If you buy the P&S version (will there even be one?), then that implies that you have a 4:3 TV, and so that means that Lucasfilm thinks you probably wouldn't notice the lower resolution. So, IMO this won't send the message you think it will. I'll be buying the widescreen version.
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Both full screen and widescreen dvds will have a widescreen presentation of the OOT. At least thats what Amazon.com says.


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Having bought my first OOT dvds off eBay (thinking what a wonderful item it was) and then finding out they were not meant to fund someones next holiday or car (thinking what a fool I was) I will be glad if this sees the death of eBay OOTs. Actually part of me thinks that the letterbox nature of the official release will ensure the trade carries on. We shall see.

Also I don't understand why this could not be made anamorphic, I'm sure it would add only pennies to the manufacture cost of each dvd. I'm guessing the reason is laziness, but hoping that something much better is planned for the future. I'm certain many forum members could do it with a copy of virtualdub.

Finally, if anyone in the UK wishes to complain about the use of the words ".. as they appeared on screen .." in any adverts for this set they can complain to the ASA.
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FFS. I've had a WS TV since 2001 and I'm taking delivery of my HD Plasma on monday. Who under the age of 60 uses a 4:3 tv anymore? Hereabouts, almost no-one.

I hope they'll make 'em anamorphic for PAL, anything else will be met with bafflement from almost all sources - I don't think there's been a major release that's been non-anamorphic in at least three years here.
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I have a widescreen TV and 3 other 4:3 tv's. There are still alot of people out there under 60 that have a 4:3 TV somewhere in there house.


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I have three TVs - all 4:3. One is a hand-me-down. None have an S-video input.

Khab, feel free to send me your useless widescreen TV on Monday.

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The thing is, you'd still be better off ripping the DVD, cropping the black bars, re-coding as anamorphic, and burning a backup (DVD Rebuilder has an automatic setting for that).

The quality is still likely to be superior to a laserdisc release made into anamorphic. Heck while you're at it you could add filters, twiddle the color, brightness or whatever you like.

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: Khab
FFS. I've had a WS TV since 2001 and I'm taking delivery of my HD Plasma on monday. Who under the age of 60 uses a 4:3 tv anymore? Hereabouts, almost no-one.

I hope they'll make 'em anamorphic for PAL, anything else will be met with bafflement from almost all sources - I don't think there's been a major release that's been non-anamorphic in at least three years here.


I'm 24 and I have a nice 32 inch 4:3 that I got for 100 dollars. It's perfect for me.

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