Thanks again, yeah, the framerate flag business suddenly dawned on me last night while I was struggling with it can't believe I forgot that. As far as the crap-tastic m2v, it seems to have been something that Vegas was doing with a VBR file. Changed luminance or colour space when it rendered? Don't ask me, I don't have any clue why it should screw with the output like that. All I know is that the template produced crappy output every time. But setting it up manually instead of using one of the templates, and using CBR@9800 fixed it beautifully. Thanks again Moth3r (oh, yeah, and thanks for such great transfers too, I've been basing my rotoscope work on what I've been able to see in your ANH transfer )