Originally posted by: musicman
Man, I'm gonna have to disagree and say I really enjoyed the asteroid field. It was one sequence where it really felt like Star Wars to me, particularly. And I thought the seismic charges were really cool.
That's my feeling on it too; why completely cut out the only space dogfight in the film? This is Star Wars! The other reason I don't want to cut the whole thing is because it would lessen Marcus' death at the end. And why would you sympathize with a kid you only saw in one scene? This scene establishes a relationship between father and son, and I think it'd be detrimental to cut it.
On the other hand, are all of the gaudy CGI shots really neccessary for this? Seems to me that the whole thing goes on too long, even with good music. I could be wrong, though; I need to play with it some more. The scene is just too colorful and razor sharp to seem real. I might have to do more than just softening it.
The reason I didn't want to cut the bombs sequence was because I have a very effective cut of that with dramatic music. I also replaced the bomb sound effects with more traditional SW explosions, which could be an unpopular change. It just really seemed like a modern effect. Right now, you hear the sound immediately as you see the explosion, but I like the sci-fi delayed sound concept too, and that's a quick fix if I decided to delay it for a split-second.
EDITED TO CLARIFY: As it stands now, I suppose the bombs aren't really "sound bombs" so much because you hear the sound in the traditional way- as the explosion happens. Perhaps this is more acceptable to some of you; I do enjoy the sound much more this way. You really get a different feeling out of the scene with toned down colors, better sound, and an exciting, synchronized music track. If there's any scenes that need music, it's traditionally the ACTION scenes. And as far as Boba Fett's annoying lines go... not so fast. Not so fast. I may have a surprise or two yet to come
OK, now the down side to this is that the fight is not serving the story as much as the story is making an opportunity to have a fight. I hated the original pacing in this movie, specifically how every other scene was designated a boring dialogue scene, and the other scenes were designated action scenes. There was no spontaneity whatsoever. Unfortunately, I'm hard pressed to fix that in this case.
But I've put too much musical and visual work into at least the seismic charges scene, continuing with the "He won't take a hint, this guy." tunnel chase. I'm thinking that either the lasers or the torpedoes might need to go to better serve the pacing (again, I could be wrong).
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Hey, not so fast
I never said you couldn't get a copy of the test cut, just that I hadn't decided on it yet. I'll figure it out in a couple months.
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Have you looked at Tagalog? I was listening to some Tagolog on the shortwave some time ago and I thought it was reminiscent of Huttese.
Man, I'm gonna have to disagree and say I really enjoyed the asteroid field. It was one sequence where it really felt like Star Wars to me, particularly. And I thought the seismic charges were really cool.
That's my feeling on it too; why completely cut out the only space dogfight in the film? This is Star Wars! The other reason I don't want to cut the whole thing is because it would lessen Marcus' death at the end. And why would you sympathize with a kid you only saw in one scene? This scene establishes a relationship between father and son, and I think it'd be detrimental to cut it.
On the other hand, are all of the gaudy CGI shots really neccessary for this? Seems to me that the whole thing goes on too long, even with good music. I could be wrong, though; I need to play with it some more. The scene is just too colorful and razor sharp to seem real. I might have to do more than just softening it.
The reason I didn't want to cut the bombs sequence was because I have a very effective cut of that with dramatic music. I also replaced the bomb sound effects with more traditional SW explosions, which could be an unpopular change. It just really seemed like a modern effect. Right now, you hear the sound immediately as you see the explosion, but I like the sci-fi delayed sound concept too, and that's a quick fix if I decided to delay it for a split-second.
EDITED TO CLARIFY: As it stands now, I suppose the bombs aren't really "sound bombs" so much because you hear the sound in the traditional way- as the explosion happens. Perhaps this is more acceptable to some of you; I do enjoy the sound much more this way. You really get a different feeling out of the scene with toned down colors, better sound, and an exciting, synchronized music track. If there's any scenes that need music, it's traditionally the ACTION scenes. And as far as Boba Fett's annoying lines go... not so fast. Not so fast. I may have a surprise or two yet to come
OK, now the down side to this is that the fight is not serving the story as much as the story is making an opportunity to have a fight. I hated the original pacing in this movie, specifically how every other scene was designated a boring dialogue scene, and the other scenes were designated action scenes. There was no spontaneity whatsoever. Unfortunately, I'm hard pressed to fix that in this case.
But I've put too much musical and visual work into at least the seismic charges scene, continuing with the "He won't take a hint, this guy." tunnel chase. I'm thinking that either the lasers or the torpedoes might need to go to better serve the pacing (again, I could be wrong).
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Sniff-sniff.
Just kidding. I'll just wait like everyone else. Fair enough.
Good luck with getting all the Niemodians' voices cleared away.
Sniff-sniff.
Just kidding. I'll just wait like everyone else. Fair enough.
Good luck with getting all the Niemodians' voices cleared away.
Hey, not so fast
I never said you couldn't get a copy of the test cut, just that I hadn't decided on it yet. I'll figure it out in a couple months. Originally posted by: Sluggo
Have you looked at Tagalog? I was listening to some Tagolog on the shortwave some time ago and I thought it was reminiscent of Huttese.
No, I haven't. Thanks for that suggestion! Do you mean the lines should be written in Tagalog, or do you mean actually synching existing Tagalog recordings to the characters?
I suppose I can dub the Nemoidians myself if it comes down to it, including Gunray. That I don't have a problem with.
Jar-Jar I do have a problem with. He really needs a fresh actor. I don't have the voice of a Gungan, I'm sorry!
Maybe it's audition time again, although I'm not looking forward to a reprise of that headache. Before I found Nanner Split, there must have been 2 or 3 others that didn't come through for one reason or another (not their fault, though). --------------
Several people have asked before if there's anything they can do to physically help on SOTDS, to give me more time on the things that need my attention. These are all things you might be able to do to help, and I'd be so grateful to each one of you that could do something....
1. The really obvious one that comes to mind immediately is Mace Windu's lightsaber. It would save me an incredible amount of time if I didn't have to do that frame by frame myself.
If anyone REALLY has a lot of free time on their hands and would like to rerotoscope Count Dooku's saber and any others, so that they look more vibrant and flickering, as if they were a source of energy--that would be utterly fantastic. I don't like the "4th of July light stick" look Lucasfilm seemed to be going for. Needless to say, I'd like them the same general color.
2. Another thing that would be a great help would be to go through the radio dramas and find workable C3PO dialogue for his introduction into the saga. I’ll repost the example here:
C3PO: I am See-Threepio, human/cyborg relations. At your service. So pleased to meet you, sir. I need not take the liberty to inform you that…(or some other typical 3PO ramble).
Anakin: I’m here to find my mother- Shmi Skywalker.
C3PO: Your mother! Well, the proper procedure is ….etc. etc. (blah blah blah- establishing him as a very annoying character from the get go).
Anakin: Just take me to your master.
C3PO: Oh, yes. I see. My master. Follow me, please.
CUT to EXT: Owen’s place.
Anakin: I’m Anakin Skywalker.
Lars: Owen Lars.
Anakin: It took awhile for your droid to take us here.
Owen: Don’t even get me started on the robot. He’s a protocol droid and he can’t even speak Bocce. The Jawa traders dumped him on me last month. (pause). I’ll give you 500 credits if you take him.
Anakin: Is my mother here?
Cliegg arrives and gives his little talk. “We have a lot to talk about.” He turns. We hear the sound of footsteps as they walk away.
It begins to sink in for C3PO. CLOSE-UP (CFSS)
C3PO: Sir, sir! There must be some mistake!
CUT to Beru serving drinks in next scene.
3. Perhaps someone could look into whether a Maul cyborg demonstration by Palpatine is even possible at the end of SOTDS?
4. We need a special effects artist. My two major dream fixes as far as that goes are putting Tarkin in the Senate, and replacing the excessive Jedi Analysis Robots with some kind of speaker/console type thing, like HAL 9000 in 2001. The style of the scene sticks out like a sore thumb, not only in this movie but also when you start comparing it to robots and information storage in the OT.
5. It'd be great if someone could figure out how to best go about changing the end credits sequence to include all of the new team that worked on this project. Everyone and anyone that gave me ideas through this thread is going to want to PM me with their actual name for use in the credits (much more professional than using forum nicknames). In the meantime, it'd be great to actually learn about the fonts and how you go about changing them. Nichols did it and Darth Editous did it, so I know it's not impossible.
6. If anyone can do sky replacement and some chroma keying that has more free time, I'm changing the funeral scene and the scene following it to sunset and dusk, respectively. Perhaps someone could work on that?
7. If anyone is experience on animation, even on a program so simple as Flash, I need new '70's style computer readouts for Jango's ship. Use the Millenium Falcon's readouts for reference- so wonderfully simple! A rotating square grid. It can be as simple as that!
8. And needless to say, anyone with good recording equipment is more than welcome to do any or all of the Nemoidians and/or Jar-Jar Binks.
I know that's a long list, guys. Maybe I should post it in a new thread so that more people will see it? Anyway, thank you all for the greatest help of all that you could have given me: your ideas. My 51 pages of notes for this edit certainly are not all my ideas. Thanks, guys! The big event is yet to come...
-TM