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Isn't that the one about the bear?

[EDIT] Yep. Just clicked your link. I was right.

BTW, anyone notice the nod to OT.COM on MyTwoCents.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Isn't that the one about the bear?


Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?


God I loved that episode...

And we, the jury, find in favor of...

BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY!!!



*ahem* Sorry... back to the topic at hand. (Though Randall did rip on Lucas pretty well in that episode...)
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
The more I think about it, the more I think it should be made clear that the fans are upset about the lack of anamorphic format. Leave the delicate restoration part to people that care about the originals. Better safe than sorry.


I agree. I think a lot of people are thinking this what we are complaining about. It is not.


Ah, but it should be.

Rescaling this 13 year old master to be anamorphic won't actually solve any problems. It's still the same master, just upscaled. No one's really asking for restoration. The cost in simply re-scanning the existing film elements (and they DO exist) and outputting that to a new master, anamorphically encoded, is MINOR compared to any sort of restoration. The picture would be DRAMATICALLY improved as opposed to just upscaling the existing D1 master (which has it's own problems via the excessive noise reduction) to sort of "fake-anamorphic"

it's the age of the transfer that's the big sticking point here. It's non-anamorphic because the master is, because scaling it up to make it look better will more than likely magnify the problems the original master already had. And that sort of IS what we're complaining about--we're being fed a 13 year old meal.

Also, I implore you guys--if you haven't written a negative review over at Amazon.com, please do so. But keep it ON POINT. Don't turn it into a referendum on Lucas' sanity, or a dissertation on your experience as a Star Wars fan. it's just going to make your review easier to write off as "Fanboy bitching" don't resort to tired cliches like referring to "Lucas' Empire" or going to the "We deserve this because We made him" or spelling his name with a fuckin DOLLAR SIGN (jesus lord that's beyond old) or anything that essentially makes it look like an antagonistic screed. Just succinctly point out why you're disappointed with the release, and what you'd like to see, and why this release isn't worth the money or time of the people they're aiming it at.

Currently there's about 50 reviews up. 48 of them are negative. about 10 of them are hyperbolic rants that do the attempt here a total disservice because it casts the consumer in a shitty light. Unfortunately 2 of those 10 are the first to pop up when you click the links. Try and drown that out with some rational, well reasoned "reviews" that point out, as clear as day, why these should be avoided.

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ah.. gotta love the form letter. my reply to it was oddly similar to the bizzle's. and i didn't read his until now. great minds think alike, eh? have yet to receive a reply back from LFL.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan

This is the best statement of all. Lucasfilm is singlehandedly responsible for creating all of the audio-videophiles, thanks to THX's brilliant marketing in the 90s. If DVD was the technology that got your Average Joe into Widescreen presentation and surround sound, it was preceded by that good ol' THX trailer blowing anybody away the first time they saw it.

Lucasfilm created this monster. Now they're seeing how angry the monster gets when you poke it in the eye.


So true. Same goes with home computer video editing which has allowed for fan edits and LD/vhs transfers.
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No, no, as it says on the front, that's a who shot first card. They have to keep the stupid OT vs. SE thing going. I suppose it could be kinda "cute" on its own, but this little throw-in with the set will just angry up the blood of the OT fans more than anything, though.

Who shot first.
What?
No, what shot second.
What?!
Yes.

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http://www.rpg2knet.com/wtf/lol_owned.jpg

I think they meant this guy: http://www.imagitainment.com/sgicons/hansolo.jpg

I dislike these crossover advertisements.

[EDIT] I take that back - maybe this is another one of those "Deliberate Creative Decisions"?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I love it. The Original Films dont' exist, yet now they are bundling the trilogy with a Han Shot First bubblegum card at the official site.

Lucas is a whore.
For Fuck Sake!! He just keeps getting worse. Lucasfilm stealing the Hans hot first slogan is really pissing me off. Do they think it's cute or cool? Cause it's not. It's infuriating.

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I like how it says on the card "Though eye witnesses at the cantina reported conflicting accounts of who shot first, none were sober enough to offer anything approaching an accurate discription."

So all us fans are drunken slobs who can't get Han's name right?

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I am curious as to whether the Original Trilogy LEGO Star Wars video game will have SE things in it or not. That would be great if the makers ignored SE stuff altogether.

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Still frustrates me how Lucasfilm is trying to make a quick buck with all this "Han Shot First" merchandise.
That line was made by fans who didn't support Lucasfilm's SE versions, and stuck with the OOT.

I bought the shirt from starwarslegacy.com instead. Much better, much COOLER, and it's so dad-gum nifty-keen.

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Just thought I'd point out this little discrepenecy:

Threat: Greedo said he'd take Han's ship

Now I KNOW whoever made this card didn't watch the movie. WTF? Greedo was going to KILL HIM !!! in order to take the Falcon.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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OK the original trilogy does not exist. My dad was able to restore the 1980 olimpic games opening cerymony out of a deteriorated VHS tape he recorded back them and did a nice clean transfer into a DVD, probably the only one around besides the network's, which I don't belive to exist anymore. And that is my dad, who has little knowledge of video techniques and computers.

Are you telling me that there are no copies of STAR WARS left? Lucasfilm and Twentieth Century Fox, two multi-billion corporations from the United States of America, who produced and distributed the most popular movie in the world, cannot provide ONE SINGLE COPY of the movie in it's original form? They have to resort to a LD because there is NO other way? And he has used the original films to make the SEs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how it's possible to overwrite celluloid. What did he use to make the 1993 and 1995 sets? It obviously didn't come from an inferior form. Did he BURN it afterwards? Maybe they just burned it as an accident and are too embarassed to say, because that is the only reasonable explanation that comes to mind.
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This tragedy has now become a comedy.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Just thought I'd point out this little discrepenecy:

Threat: Greedo said he'd take Han's ship

Now I KNOW whoever made this card didn't watch the movie. WTF? Greedo was going to KILL HIM !!! in order to take the Falcon.


I concur wholeheartedly. It is preposterous that George ever tried to say that what Han did was killing “in cold blood.” I’m a veteran I’ve seen killing in cold blood and I can tell you that what Han did was not cold blooded. It is not cold blooded to fire upon someone when they point a gun in your face and threaten to kill you, it’s just prudent. There may be some civil courts that would view Han’s preemptive strike as excessive, but I can assure you most courts here in Texas would declare him innocent on the grounds of self defense.

I think George has been too heavily influenced by the pacifist, revisionist nature of his pal Steven Spielberg. Look at what Steve did to E.T. Most of the Federal Agent’s firearms were removed and replaced with walkie-talkies. Does that sound like Mulder and Scully to you? No. All it really does is butcher a classic film by inserting something that detracts from the believability of the story. All because the creator had a shift in values and wanted their most notable story to reflect their new mores. It’s bull shit. I wonder how people would feel if da Vinci came back from the dead and repainted the Mona Lisa to look like Pamela Anderson because his tastes changed?


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Han: "Over my dead body."

Greedo: "That's the idea."

What was unclear about that?

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So they don't have the money to restore the classic OT, but they have money to put into T-shirts and bubblegum cards mocking us.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I like how it says on the card "Though eye witnesses at the cantina reported conflicting accounts of who shot first, none were sober enough to offer anything approaching an accurate discription."

I promise that when I witnessed this I was only drinking blue milk.
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The Han Shot First revision is the single greatest example of failure to understand basic drama in the SE. That's why I adopted it as Legacy's monniker.

You can debate whether Han was in imminent danger or not (seems pretty clear to 99.9% of the populace though) but this is actually not the most significant aspect of the scene, dramatically speaking.

By having Han shoot first, you firmly establish for the audience that he is indeed a shady character on some level. He hangs around in hives of scum and villiany, and shoots people - justified or not. It's like in the old Westerns when guys would blow away each other over card games and think nothing of it. It just lets the audience know that with this guy, ANYTHING could happen. And our heroes (Luke, the droids, Obi-Wan) are hooked up with this guy. Are they going to be safe? Can this guy be trusted? It's an important tension and drama builder.

It also sets up Han Solo's all-important character arc - he goes from self-serving, ruthless smuggler only interested in money, to finding his "heart" and coming back to help Luke in the end. It's only because you're so firmly established in who he is, that his return at the end is a surprise.


These are time-honored, basic principles in dramatic storytelling, and that's all there is to it. By changing the dynamic, you remove the dangerous aspect of the character, and destroy his character arc. Drama 101.


_Mike

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