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Thanks so much to everyone for pointing me in the right direction.
There's a sky shot in Kurosawa's Ran that might work. It's during the attack on the one sons house by another son. It shows the sunlight's rays coming down with the sun obscured.

I'll be borrowing that immediately.

Perfect Cloud shot in the Truman Show... 1:27:51 in Reverse. I really think this will work

And for the tower shot, the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, might need to be darkened, but try the 15:17 Mark and 27:48 Mark. It should blend in quite well.

Jra166ptd, thank you so much for signing up to help me out! Would it be possible to upload the shots you're talking about? No problem if you can't; it'll just take me time to get a hold of copies of those films.


Yes, BTTF part II intro.

If you need the clip or screenshots, I can supply them if you don't have the DVD yourself.

Thanks so much, HAL. I don't own this DVD (or for that matter, any of the others mentioned).

If anyone could upload screenshots of what they're talking about, that'd be great too!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
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Trooperman:
The Back to the future fly through the sky shot was actually taken from another movie(Ironic, eh?). I checked the commentary and, it's taken from the Clint Eastwood movie Firefox. If that's on DVD mabye that is sans credits. I personally think that it wouldn't work because, it is a flying through the sky shot and, not a look up clouds cover the sun shot. Oh, wait mabye the shot when the sun appears after the rain when the doc is looking up just in reverse. Also, if you liked those pictures I could dig up a ton more for you if you want to use the promo images.


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Anything I can do to help. Here are screen caps from the Truman show:
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I'll see if I can get to the charlie and the chocolate factory tomorrow.
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Thank you for those screencaps, jra! The cloud shot from "The Truman Show" looks pretty much perfect. I may brighten up the sky a bit for consistency with the surrounding footage, but I will definitely get a hold of "Truman Show" for that shot. Screencaps of the other shot would be great as well!

Also, if you liked those pictures I could dig up a ton more for you if you want to use the promo images.

Thanks for the offer, Twister; I'm not exactly sure what direction I want to go with the trailer. Maybe I'll make a couple. At first, I was thinking of one that ran all of the awful dialogue from the original, and then the Star Wars logo comes on the screen, and the announcer lists all of the features of the movie.

"New footage"- You see the clone war shots from Dune
"Improved cinemotography" - You see the balcony scene and the droid factory
"New voice actors, characters, and plot"

"Hyperspace" track starts. Many shots containing new dubs shown.

"And..a few other surprises".

Mace fires up his blue saber.


The other type of trailer I was thinking of was the classic "Starring: Ewan Mcgregor" style trailer, and just let the changes come through over the course of the trailer, rather then advertising them like you would be above. I don't know; I just think there are a lot of people who might be interested in the project, but they don't want to keep up with this sprawling thread. Creating a trailer and giving it its own thread might generate some more interest in the endeavor. People will actually be able to see that the ADR was successful and have a little more faith in the project. Because it was a radical idea, it really is. The thing is, most of what I've been doing can't even be summed up in a trailer; it's all about the feel of the movie, the soundtrack, the cuts that were made. The ADR and new effects are just an added bonus that contribute to the "classic" feel I'm working toward.

I want to finish the trailer immediately after I receive ADR for Lama-Su, which should come in late June.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Maybe for the trailer you should jsut make it as if it has alway been this way. Or do your first idea for teaser trailer and do a second one for a theatrical trailer.
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Thanks again, jra, for those tower images. I don't know if I'm going to use those (a little bit elaborate for what was intended as a more basic shot), but I'll definitely check out the "Truman Show" for the cloud shot; it's perfect.

And thanks for the comments regarding the trailer, Knightmessenger and Darth Richard. Maybe I will do a teaser like the S.E., and then for the theatrical, just make it as though it was always that way- it's a good idea.

Work continues... I'm a little behind on my completion plan, but I'll be catching up soon. I've plowed my way through so far all the way (besides the Jar-Jar dialogue) until the nightmare sequence, which I'm still trying to find the best cut for. I don't want to lock it down yet, because there are a couple shots I'm not happy with.


I also have another idea once I do complete this movie- I want to do a quick single layer encode with no extras and send it to a couple folks with the highest interest in the project. A common editing phenomenon is that after you stare and analyze something you've done a million times, it starts looking good no matter what. This could be what happened with Grevious. After hearing it over and over and over, you start to get used to it. To an actual audience member, the voice sounds extremely stupid.

I want to pick a couple with great interest in the project, as well as one person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance. I'd like these people to get me a written report as to what (if anything) was jarring in terms of editing, pacing, or dialogue. Then, I can implement any changes into the much more time-consuming dual-layer encode for general release. The first version could also hold over those of you who are losing sleep because this isn't in their DVD player yet (where are you, MTH?)

Sound good to you?

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman

I want to pick a couple with great interest in the project, as well as one person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance. I'd like these people to get me a written report as to what (if anything) was jarring in terms of editing, pacing, or dialogue. Then, I can implement any changes into the much more time-consuming dual-layer encode for general release. The first version could also hold over those of you who are losing sleep because this isn't in their DVD player yet (where are you, MTH?)

Sound good to you?

-TM


I'll participate in a review. I have been going crazy sense I first read about it that it wasn't in my DVD player. And I would give a true review not just oh this great kinda thing.
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Trooperman,

In the Starkiller Ranch thread, there's been some discussion about the Niemodians' voices. I apologize if you've answered this before, but what were you planning on doing with those?

And if you still need people to provide reviews, I am definitely interested.

Erik

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
I also have another idea once I do complete this movie- I want to do a quick single layer encode with no extras and send it to a couple folks with the highest interest in the project. A common editing phenomenon is that after you stare and analyze something you've done a million times, it starts looking good no matter what. This could be what happened with Grevious. After hearing it over and over and over, you start to get used to it. To an actual audience member, the voice sounds extremely stupid.

I want to pick a couple with great interest in the project, as well as one person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance. I'd like these people to get me a written report as to what (if anything) was jarring in terms of editing, pacing, or dialogue. Then, I can implement any changes into the much more time-consuming dual-layer encode for general release. The first version could also hold over those of you who are losing sleep because this isn't in their DVD player yet (where are you, MTH?)

Sound good to you?

-TM


Hey Trooperman,

I just read on the forum that you are going to be doing a preview "screening" of "Shroud of the Dark Side" before doing your final copy.

Honestly, even though I'm a regular visitor here, I had not really looked at your project until today - I was convinced that there was not much that could be done with AOTC.

Seeing the last two or three pages of this thread, though, has shown me the degree of editing that you will be doing, and now I'm really interested. However, there are so many pages to this thread, I've not waded through enough to have much of an idea of what you are doing, except that it will be a major overhaul. In my opinion, AOTC is currently standing as the worst film in the saga, when you are counting "Balance of the Force" as Episode I, so you definitely have your work cut out for you, but more power to you.

I don't know which category that puts me in - someone with great interest in the project or just a person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance - but I would be happy to help review if you think my position would be of value.
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Sorry the Towershot didn't work out, I'll keep my eyes open for something that may work.
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jra what was the point of your post?


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also, I'm sure everybody and there mom would like to get a preview of Shroud of the Dark Side.

I know I only contributed a cloud shot, but I like to think I have an eye for quality and would love for an opportunity to review the movie before the final release. Thanks Trooperman! Keep up the good work!
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Hi-

I'm sure everybody and there mom would like to get a preview of Shroud of the Dark Side.

I know- that's what I was afraid of. Forget I even said that- I'll deal with it in a couple months.


I don't know which category that puts me in - someone with great interest in the project or just a person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance - but I would be happy to help review if you think my position would be of value.


Thanks, Andy. For the person who doesn't know of the changes in advance, I was thinking more of someone like Moth3r, or Zion, or Jay, or someone else that doesn't have any clue about what I'm doing. Send it to them with a message like, "This is my first attempt at an Star Wars edit. Hope you like it." And let them discover it for themselves and give me a report on what it was like to take it all in with no prior knowledge of what was coming.


Trooperman - what editing tools are you using for this project?

I'm using Vegas, which interacts with SoundForge (which I also use). Along with Photoshop, these are the big tools. Of course, there are all kinds of nifty little freeware programs for specialized tasks, but these three programs are really the big ones.

As of a couple days ago, I now have no risk of losing anything, because I'm now working off of an external HD with a firewire connection. The actual widescreen DVD files with PCM are still on the internal, but those files are contained on a backup anyhow, should anything go awry.

So now, none of us will be confronted with the ugly surprise of, "Trooperman's PC crashed and all the files are gone. No Shroud of the Dark Side." I should've done that for April Fools

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In the Starkiller Ranch thread, there's been some discussion about the Niemodians' voices. I apologize if you've answered this before, but what were you planning on doing with those?

Hey Erik- you bring up good points here. I am in a genuine dilemma about the alien voices, Jar-Jar included. Backwards audio sounds awful. I was originally planning to purchase the German DVD's and use those for the dubs, but as I realize how big this project is becoming, I don't know that I want to do that. There are Germans or German-speakers on this forum, and they will be utterly distracted by the voices. How would it feel to hear an alien saying something in English, and seeing different subtitles underneath? How could that not be distracting?

So I’ve dropped the German idea; it’s too widely known. MagnoliaFan apparently got his hands on obscure foreign language tracks for all three prequels, but none of us know where that’s going at this point. Also, it’s not as if I would automatically get these dubs from him even if I did know what was going on. So that won’t work.

Finally, the latest solution was that InfoDroid on Ep. I had secured voice actors for the Nemoidians, and the guy dubbing Nute recorded all of his dialogue- for Eps. I and II. However, this won’t work for a couple reasons; InfoDroid is no longer communicating with me, and apparently CC either didn’t like the new dubs or never got them. Either way, I don’t have them.

I’m going to need to figure this out really quickly, considering September is the deadline (for the DVD-5 test encode, at least). Should I record it? No matter what inflections you put on it, you start to recognize the same voice if it’s overused. Is it too late to hold a very quick audition? At this stage, I just need something; although I didn’t want to follow the George Lucas pattern, I suppose I could go back and re-edit SOTDS to include new dubs, if Ep. I turns out to use different actors.

Oh, and here’s another thing I was thinking about; what do you think about a shortened asteroid chase? I was running into real problems picking music and keeping the tension up, particularly with the lasers scene. Then, I began to realize that it’s so full of “action” and fast shot after fast shot, it actually holds up the pace. I’m considering removing the lasers scene and going straight to the torpedo. Those shots are excessive anyway, in my opinion, whereas the torpedo scene is more functional and something they would have done a few decades ago.

-TM

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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If it will keep the pace at a good speed and not look funny I would cut the lasers scene out. I toyed around with a few shots a while back and was able to remove the scene completely and there was no way to tell it was gone. That last bit is just some thinking out loud incase you wanted to go that rout and speed the pace up a lot.


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Originally posted by: Trooperman

Thanks, Andy. For the person who doesn't know of the changes in advance, I was thinking more of someone like Moth3r, or Zion, or Jay, or someone else that doesn't have any clue about what I'm doing. Send it to them with a message like, "This is my first attempt at an Star Wars edit. Hope you like it." And let them discover it for themselves and give me a report on what it was like to take it all in with no prior knowledge of what was coming.


Sniff-sniff.

Just kidding. I'll just wait like everyone else. Fair enough.

Good luck with getting all the Niemodians' voices cleared away.

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Have you looked at Tagalog? I was listening to some Tagolog on the shortwave some time ago and I thought it was reminiscent of Huttese.
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Originally posted by: Trooperman

Oh, and here’s another thing I was thinking about; what do you think about a shortened asteroid chase? I was running into real problems picking music and keeping the tension up, particularly with the lasers scene. Then, I began to realize that it’s so full of “action” and fast shot after fast shot, it actually holds up the pace. I’m considering removing the lasers scene and going straight to the torpedo. Those shots are excessive anyway, in my opinion, whereas the torpedo scene is more functional and something they would have done a few decades ago.

-TM


OMG, are you talking about that damn scene between Obiwan's Jedi Starfighter and Jango Fett's (Marlow Fett's?) Slave 1 through the asteroids? Anything between Obiwan and Jango through that whole movie screamed "BUY OUR VIDEO GAMES!" Definitely keep in the laser scene--it's the only really cool and intense and not excessively over done and self-indulgent part of the entire chase. What you should cut out, if you haven't already, are those stupid blue reverb bombs that drop out of the ass of Slave 1, what the hell are those supposed to be? It's a real quick fix of cutting in the middle of Jango's line "And we'll have a couple of surprises for them" to the shot looking out the cockpit window as they enter the one asteroid.

I tried this editing thing once on my own with Episode II and cutting out any of the buy-our-video-game moments between Jango and Obiwan turned out great.

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Those reverb bombs are sysmic charges. They are basicly the same thing as america's MOAB Bomb. If one is launched on an area of land it uses sound waves to destroy things rather than radiation and explosions. They are more effective because soundwaves don't need oxygen to fuel them like fire so they keep on going and create a bigger fall out area.


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In Attack of the Phantom (Phantom Edit Episode II), the phantom editor totally removed the asteroid sequence, and it worked quite well.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?