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Hmm, but I do like the idea of temples and ancient religious relics surrounding the use of the force, so I don't mind a temple being on Coruscant. Otherwise, dump the midichloriforms, I agree there.

Oh no, I didn't mean to dismiss temples all together, just on Coruscant. Having the Jedi, a rather nature-related sect, on Coruscant seemed like an anathema to me. So, yes, there'd be other temples, but on other worlds, more forest-like or a greater lack of machines/buildings.



(Oh, I figure Anakin has to call Obiwan "Ben" [somewhat to Obiwan's chagrin] and then that name has to catch on so that nobody uses the name Obiwan by the time Anakin gets Luke and Lea's mother pregnant!)

Yeah, that's what I had always hoped would be in the prequels, too, that it was a good-natured diminutive form of Obi-Wan, like "Dick" is for Richard. And I can see Obi-Wan bristle when Anakin calls him that! Very good!



Hmm, they were called "Knights" and thus should have had some official recognition under the republic. Some kind of thing where they are expected to uphold the ideals of the republic at least (more than mere respect) and be subject to its laws. Otherwise, I agree that the organization should have been much looser and having a more Medieval feeling of Lords and enlightened Nobles. Perhaps the reliance upon pupils from nobility could figure into the story in terms of a Jedi order that is becoming stagnant and no longer able to aid the republic as well.


Well, I wasn't thinking they were TOTALLY loose, but yes a knighthood, certainly.

My biggest problem with your version is the Skywalker prophecy idea and the ancient evil in the bunker. Its far more dramatic to stick to normal people and keep Skywalker an average family name with no special amazing associated with it. Anakin Skywalker was an average guy but a skilled warrior with amazing piloting skills and thus Obiwan decided to train him for those core reasons. It is also a lot more dramatic to stick with people who have free will and can choose to be evil or good, instead of a one-dimensional force of evil that possesses anyone.


No, I understand all of that, but as in Christian thought, there are demons and angels. Why can't there be such things in Star Wars? After all, we have a PLACE that is evil. Why couldn't there be something generated by the dark side that is demonic? Compound this with the weird, shrieking, dark shapes that come after the Emperor is destroyed in the shaft----not an unfounded idea with that kind of "evidence."

However, my PT ideas could still work without any of that, too.

One idea that I have is that Vader/Anakin would be in the prequal trilogy as much as Vader was in the classic trilogy. In other words: I'd have him be in the background, but instead of a kickass bad guy who comes in to mop up the good guys, he'll be a kickass good guy who relentlessly hunts down the bad guys. This means that in the beginning of Episode I Anakin would already be Obiwan's apprentice and somewhat on his own. I'm not too fond of this idea however, since I would want the younger Obiwan to be the primary hero of the films, like Luke was the hero in the classic trilogy and therefore it might be hard for him to have a semi-successful apprentice at a young and inexperienced age. Thus I usually fall upon the idea that Vader is trained over the course of the movies and turns to the dark side at some point.


Right, and Lucas at some point did say Episode I was suppose to feature Obi-Wan. He's hardly a second thought it right now. I guess I don't see Obi-Wan as too young as he'd have to be at an age where he's a mentor-like figure.
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Originally posted by: Dug
Oh no, I didn't mean to dismiss temples all together, just on Coruscant. Having the Jedi, a rather nature-related sect, on Coruscant seemed like an anathema to me. So, yes, there'd be other temples, but on other worlds, more forest-like or a greater lack of machines/buildings.


Hmm, yes, the Jedi do seem to be nature oriented, but that understanding of nature is not limited to living objects. They also understand how the force relates to inanimate or technological objects. They don't have an aversion to machines (their light sabers for instance). Plus, Coruscant could be very old and have an ancient temple on it. And at the very least, people who are sensitive to the force can pop up on any world, and you'd need places for them, especially in the arguably most populated planet in the republic.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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You make an interesting and logical point. I'm thinking theme-wise, and dynamics and visually, how they all relate, too. I had never imagined that the temple for the Jedi would right next door to the Senate. But then, I guess knights need to live near the places they protect.

I just see it like this: Yoda and other Jedi trainers live someplace remote, training in isolation, without distractions, etc. Once the Jedi are trained, they pledge their allegiance to some world they have similar values/ideals, more than often their homeworlds. They leave the masters, returning occasionally for additional training. That's all. I'm thinking very simply about it, and I can see a Jedi training better in a nature-like peaceful environment, rather than a bustling super-metropolis. But, that's just my notions, I guess.
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Yeah, but wouldn't Coruscanthave a jedi protector too?

You wouldn't have to have a jedi council, but could still have an ancient temple on Coruscant.

Maybe it's fallen into disrepair in recent centuries? Maybe the jedi protector there is interesting?

So, you'd still have a temple, but not the idea of a permanent jedi council who hide in their ivory tower and dictate from on high.
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Hahaha! You see, this is funny... um... how can I explain this... I was rewriting ROTJ to make it more palatable for myself, and I in research, I found that Lucas, in an early creative session, came up with Endor as the moon that circles Coruscant (There is evidence of this still in the final script---the story was that the Emperor was going to move his palace from crowded Coruscant [not called that in the script btw] to the Jedi Temple on Endor. So, if you ever why the Emperor calls Endor the 'sanctuary moon' this is why)... On Endor there was suppose to be a Jedi Temple. This would have EASILY settled my clamoring for a Jedi Temple on a nature-filled world, and would satisfy those who want a temple close to Coruscant.

I truly say that if Lucas had stuck with some of his original ideas (Leia not Luke's sister, the rebels invade Coruscant, two or three small weapons platforms instead of one giant DS...) and committed to them, we would've had a better ROTJ, and better prequels. But that's just IMHO.

Wouldn't Coruscant have a protector, too?

Not necessarily. Jedi are not as numerous in my rewrite ideas. However, I toyed with the idea at one point that there was a protector for Coruscant, and he had turned to the dark side. Obi-Wan was forced to battle him and killed him. Then, when I was treating Vader and Anakin as separate characters, Vader took the position left vacant.
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I see a lot of ideas here, a lot of good ideas.

I am reminded of of Michaelangelo's David, or better yet Pietà. (I like that statue. David is just some dude with his junk hanging out) Image I handed you a chunk of marble and asked you to tell me what was wrong with it. Chances are you would not know much about marble, but let's assume you know a thing or two about it and reply that you can't find anything wrong with it, that it appears to be a piece of high-quality marble. And then I tell you that this chunk of marble came from the Pietà. This piece of fine quality italian marble had be cut off and discarded because to leave it would not be good for the work as a whole.
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I wish he never made the prequels its got jaja binks !!!!
May the force be wth you .........
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Originally posted by: Dug
Hahaha! You see, this is funny... um... how can I explain this... I was rewriting ROTJ to make it more palatable for myself, and I in research, I found that Lucas, in an early creative session, came up with Endor as the moon that circles Coruscant (There is evidence of this still in the final script---the story was that the Emperor was going to move his palace from crowded Coruscant [not called that in the script btw] to the Jedi Temple on Endor. So, if you ever why the Emperor calls Endor the 'sanctuary moon' this is why)... On Endor there was suppose to be a Jedi Temple. This would have EASILY settled my clamoring for a Jedi Temple on a nature-filled world, and would satisfy those who want a temple close to Coruscant.

I truly say that if Lucas had stuck with some of his original ideas (Leia not Luke's sister, the rebels invade Coruscant, two or three small weapons platforms instead of one giant DS...) and committed to them, we would've had a better ROTJ, and better prequels. But that's just IMHO.

Wouldn't Coruscant have a protector, too?

Not necessarily. Jedi are not as numerous in my rewrite ideas. However, I toyed with the idea at one point that there was a protector for Coruscant, and he had turned to the dark side. Obi-Wan was forced to battle him and killed him. Then, when I was treating Vader and Anakin as separate characters, Vader took the position left vacant.


Most of that is gonna get accomplished in the Starkiller Edit =]