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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n) — Page 3
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Originally posted by: CO
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Ree Yees
Invader Jenny
Sanctuary Moon
DOTF
Patrick Russell
Wampa Joe
Harlock 415
Skye Solo
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Such familiar names, I was cjedi72, and didn't know the sanctuary existed, and started arguing with fans who thought TPM was better than the original SW, so I got banned. When I was released from jail, I moderated myself around the PT gushers, and hung out in the sanctuary, cause that was the only place you could post an opinion without getting warned of baiting.
TF.net is a pathetic website, and when they closed the sanctuary, and started that new thread today, I bolted for good. When you have a website with threads like, "The Phantom Masterpiece" and "Is ANH meh?" I started to question if these are the same movies we are all watching?
Then I forgot, they only watch the SE!
The site is 99% fanboys who defend the PT even knowing that they aren't as great as they say. I have talked to many fans there through PM's, and when I talked 'off the record' they admitted that TPM & AOTC are not great, but they just couldn't say anything bad about the movies or the bashers would be right. It is like American Politics, they are all just towing the party line, but don't believe everything they say.
Welcome guys, I have been here a year, and everybody is on the same page about what our goals are. And we don't need to post that the Original Star Wars is a classic, and go chapter to chapter to say how much we love every scene and how it affected our lives.
We let the OT, excuse me, the O-OT speak for itself.
LSHB
Ree Yees
Invader Jenny
Sanctuary Moon
DOTF
Patrick Russell
Wampa Joe
Harlock 415
Skye Solo
Mandalorian
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Such familiar names, I was cjedi72, and didn't know the sanctuary existed, and started arguing with fans who thought TPM was better than the original SW, so I got banned. When I was released from jail, I moderated myself around the PT gushers, and hung out in the sanctuary, cause that was the only place you could post an opinion without getting warned of baiting.
TF.net is a pathetic website, and when they closed the sanctuary, and started that new thread today, I bolted for good. When you have a website with threads like, "The Phantom Masterpiece" and "Is ANH meh?" I started to question if these are the same movies we are all watching?
Then I forgot, they only watch the SE!
The site is 99% fanboys who defend the PT even knowing that they aren't as great as they say. I have talked to many fans there through PM's, and when I talked 'off the record' they admitted that TPM & AOTC are not great, but they just couldn't say anything bad about the movies or the bashers would be right. It is like American Politics, they are all just towing the party line, but don't believe everything they say.
Welcome guys, I have been here a year, and everybody is on the same page about what our goals are. And we don't need to post that the Original Star Wars is a classic, and go chapter to chapter to say how much we love every scene and how it affected our lives.
We let the OT, excuse me, the O-OT speak for itself.
Hey I got into it pretty good with Dude4c on the Is New Hope Meh thread and I never got warned. I probably used too many big words so they didn't know any better. He never dared to step foot in our house though, the coward.
I forget which thread it was but I hypothetically asked if it was okay for Lucas to put the Road Runner and Coyote on tattoine if he claims it's his vision. I actually got a response of yes it's his right. Makes you wonder.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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Originally posted by: skye_solo
I just checked out that new, so-called basher's thread (or whatever they wanna think of it as) over there. It was an excuse to censor people more than ever. How fuckin' dumb. You can discuss the Golden Era of Star Wars? Anyone can say I like Star Wars...lame.
I just checked out that new, so-called basher's thread (or whatever they wanna think of it as) over there. It was an excuse to censor people more than ever. How fuckin' dumb. You can discuss the Golden Era of Star Wars? Anyone can say I like Star Wars...lame.
I read the first 10 posts, and logged off for good. I wish they would just put a disclaimer, if you have anything negative to say about the PT, please do not sign up. Atleast they would be honest about it then.
The one thing that was so hypocritical was when the mods would post and start talking trash about the fans, and it was always a shot at OT fans. There was one mod on the CT page name Twilek who posted, "You the older fans are getting what you asked for, you wanted original versions you got, now stop complaining!"
So I PM'd him and asked him that isn't against the rules to talk about the fans? I told him he was a mod, and if he did it, why wouldn't everyone else just join in? Then I said, we are not getting the original version of SW, cause they are taking it from the 1993 version which had Episode IV crawl in it, and that wasn't there in '77.
He gave me so lame response that he could have said alot worse things, and he didn't break any rules about talking about the fans. I responded back and said, "But you said for all the older fans........ The last time I checked my vocabulary, fans meant fans."
To me that exchange sums up theforce.net. I often wonder if they are all secretly working at Lucasranch.
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Originally posted by: CO
I read the first 10 posts, and logged off for good. I wish they would just put a disclaimer, if you have anything negative to say about the PT, please do not sign up. Atleast they would be honest about it then.
The one thing that was so hypocritical was when the mods would post and start talking trash about the fans, and it was always a shot at OT fans. There was one mod on the CT page name Twilek who posted, "You the older fans are getting what you asked for, you wanted original versions you got, now stop complaining!"
So I PM'd him and asked him that isn't against the rules to talk about the fans? I told him he was a mod, and if he did it, why wouldn't everyone else just join in? Then I said, we are not getting the original version of SW, cause they are taking it from the 1993 version which had Episode IV crawl in it, and that wasn't there in '77.
He gave me so lame response that he could have said alot worse things, and he didn't break any rules about talking about the fans. I responded back and said, "But you said for all the older fans........ The last time I checked my vocabulary, fans meant fans."
To me that exchange sums up theforce.net. I often wonder if they are all secretly working at Lucasranch.
Originally posted by: skye_solo
I just checked out that new, so-called basher's thread (or whatever they wanna think of it as) over there. It was an excuse to censor people more than ever. How fuckin' dumb. You can discuss the Golden Era of Star Wars? Anyone can say I like Star Wars...lame.
I just checked out that new, so-called basher's thread (or whatever they wanna think of it as) over there. It was an excuse to censor people more than ever. How fuckin' dumb. You can discuss the Golden Era of Star Wars? Anyone can say I like Star Wars...lame.
I read the first 10 posts, and logged off for good. I wish they would just put a disclaimer, if you have anything negative to say about the PT, please do not sign up. Atleast they would be honest about it then.
The one thing that was so hypocritical was when the mods would post and start talking trash about the fans, and it was always a shot at OT fans. There was one mod on the CT page name Twilek who posted, "You the older fans are getting what you asked for, you wanted original versions you got, now stop complaining!"
So I PM'd him and asked him that isn't against the rules to talk about the fans? I told him he was a mod, and if he did it, why wouldn't everyone else just join in? Then I said, we are not getting the original version of SW, cause they are taking it from the 1993 version which had Episode IV crawl in it, and that wasn't there in '77.
He gave me so lame response that he could have said alot worse things, and he didn't break any rules about talking about the fans. I responded back and said, "But you said for all the older fans........ The last time I checked my vocabulary, fans meant fans."
To me that exchange sums up theforce.net. I often wonder if they are all secretly working at Lucasranch.
They wish they were working at Lucas Ranch, that's the thing with the koolaid crowd. Blind devotion to a toy driven merchandising marekting machine. It was so much easier back in the day when all we had were the movies.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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And, to be honest, there were plenty of toys to go gaga about back then, too.
Anyways, don't worry too much about TF.n. There are better things to bash, like the PT
and especially the upcoming DVD release. 
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Exactly, lets wipe the dirt of the TF.n off our shoes and make ourselves at home. I am grateful for the warm welcome, btw. Thanks ot.com!! : )
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Get everything off that deck!!
Medic!! Medic!! Medic!!
I was watching "Wing Commander" while I typed all that in.
So, are there many force.net Bashers here?
Refuge from theforce.net...
Basher...
Life support failing...Barely alive...
Permission to land?
Coming in hot...
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I like this place though. Been reading all the threads here and nodding in agreement silently. So this is my official "Hello everybody. My name is Tachikoma-Kun. You may remember me from bashers sanctuary. But if you're lucky then you wont remember me at all." etc etc.
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Originally posted by: TrueJedi
I'm sad to see that this thread is sitting idle. Considering how bad theforce.net has become, you would think that there would be alot more participants. Is there another forum for SW fans that has alot of participants?
I'm sad to see that this thread is sitting idle. Considering how bad theforce.net has become, you would think that there would be alot more participants. Is there another forum for SW fans that has alot of participants?
While we do our fair amount of bashing here most of us have a new home at outerrimsieges.com. You have to register and say you are over 18, cuz we are allowed to cuss up a storm. Bashers actually have their own forum on that board with a warning on the first page for gushers to stay out for their own good. But the drama at TFn is just getting worse after the closing of the Sanctuary.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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Not really comming here from the Sanctuary since I left that place over a year ago due to the hypocrasy of many there at the time over the 04 DVD release. Been lurking here for about 6 months now. Looking forward to chatting with you all from time to time. Hopefully one day we will get a good quality release of the OUT.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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LOL, that guy was such an ass. I was reminded of him when I saw your name as well. Good to have you around. <span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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-George Lucas
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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They don't realize that probably 95% of SW fans who grew up with the OT in the 70's/80's don't even post on the internet, or never have in their life about the present state of SW. I have so many friends I grew up with who love the OT, but they have never even gone to a SW website to post. To them, the saga is done with, and probably has for them for a long time.
Most people I know who grew up with SW love the OT, have varying opinions about the PT. Some think they are good, some think they are alright, and some think they suck, but nobody I know has ever said they loved them more than the OT. Now are there fans out there who love the PT more than the OT, of course they are, but that is a niche audience just like any movie that comes out every week.
What Lucas doesn't realize is that the highest grossing prequel was TPM. Does anyone know why? Because every SW fan who grew with the OT saw that probably once or twice or maybe even three times because it was SW again for the first time in 16 years.
TPM - 431 million domestic
AOTC - 300 million domestic
ROTS - 380 million domestic
If TPM sucks like everyone says than why did it gross the most? Because that was the last SW movie that every old fan came out for. Alot of my friends I know were done after seeing TPM, or after one viewing of AOTC. They kinda gave up on the saga, and the drop is obvious.
Now ROTS is supposedly the best prequel by all the gushers, then why couldn't it beat the lowly TPM? Because all the older fans didn't show up once or multiple times. ROTS had the advantage that many older SW fans were going to see it once just to see how Darth Vader came to be, I mean this was the reason for the prequels, so it was going to do better than AOTC. But the fact that it came up 50 million dollars short of an average TPM, tells me the older crowd didn't come out multiple times as they may have done with TPM, when they still were naive about Lucas being a genius.
This goes to my point that I don't believe the PT fans are as big as everyone says. If they were, the grosses for the movies wouldn't zig zag so much. Look at LOTR and X-Men, each movie has grossed more than the other, so the audience built up through each movie, and you can see the fanbase building.
For the PT, TPM hit the mountain top, and the audience never came close to that again. That is why Lucas is so lucky with the money he made for the PT, how many people do you know who grew up with the OT, saw all 3 PT movies in the theater, and now think they are average, crappy, or alright. Never has a movie trilogy had two movies that have been bad and the fans showed up in droves for the third one, but that is why Lucas held off Darth Vader til the end, he forced us to see all 3 movies whether we thought they were good or not.
Who here said in 2005, "Well I didn't think TPM & AOTC were that good, but I have to see Episode III, this one has got to be the one that Lucas gets right." I'll bet over 75% of OT fans growing up said this. Don't be fooled, the PT is a niche audience of fanboys who do love their movies, I don't doubt that, but they know they are not perfect movies like SW & ESB are, and that is the difference, they accept movies that may not be great.
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