Originally posted by: Moth3r
But there's still the mono mix restoration... I suppose audio restorations would be handy, to be timed correctly for the Pal DVD's.
I did have one thought about it though. If they do screw this up (and I'm not for a moment saying they definitely will - I will offer up my trust until September) then it really will be the end, you know! It's not like one can start a new petition saying : "Well... ok, we've got the OOT now. But can we have it in better quality?". That'd probably get 12 signatures and not even 1/10th the publicity that the current petition got.
True, and any imperfections in the transfer will be minor at worst.But there's still the mono mix restoration... I suppose audio restorations would be handy, to be timed correctly for the Pal DVD's.
Originally posted by: Doctor M
Citizen
Old Jabba ElementsOriginally posted by: andy_k_250
Could it be that the material released in September is going to be what was originally extracted from the original old theatrical master film reels for the 1993 Definitive Edition Laser Disc's? My reasoning is this - they keep mentioning 1993 technology - maybe they are talking about the first digital encoding done back in 1993. That first encoding was then compressed to fit a LD's space parameters, I assume. Maybe they are going to use the 1993 encoding and transfer it to DVD, which by should by definition create less compression from the digital source made in 1993 from the masters, as well as allowing more lines, which would let each image be able to breathe more than it did in the constraints of the LD format.
It's fully possible for this release to be what was hinted at by the OT (unaltered) scenes in Building Empire. Those few scenes, in my opinion, looked great.
The fact that they mention the original crawl for SW makes me wonder if they are using a theatrical master reel, since this would include the original crawl. However, as many here have demonstrated, it's not that hard to make your own crawl.
I would say that their digital master was transferred using way outdated technology to Laser Disc. If they were to transfer it from the same master at the same resolution using today’s technology I'm sure the end result will be much better. It wouldn't be difficult to capture just the opening crawl from a theatrical reel to insert onto the DVD release.Originally posted by: ZebonkaCitizen
edit: HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!! ALSO, do not forget, by releasing an OT DVD, it now meets the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and probably the Library Of Congress film preservation critera.
Before what we did here was vaguely legal because we were preserving something that did not exist in a digital format. That is no longer the case, no matter how bad the official release may be.
Prepare for a lot of legal notices to be mailed to preservationists.... What's that? I didn't think this was ever legal anywhere, except maybe in countries which don't honour copyrights...
I'm sure someone will have a real answer for you, but as I noted in my ANH thread, if you watch the transition into the Jabba scene on the 2004 DVD, you can actually see, briefly, elements of the 1997 SE Jabba.
Interesting. I hired the 2004 DVD's when they came out, watched with the commentaries and have kept a copy of them on my HDD ever since (which i've not watched since, I've just kept them there in case there's something like this to check out)... i'll upload a pic of this so people can see what you mean:Before what we did here was vaguely legal because we were preserving something that did not exist in a digital format. That is no longer the case, no matter how bad the official release may be.
Prepare for a lot of legal notices to be mailed to preservationists.... What's that? I didn't think this was ever legal anywhere, except maybe in countries which don't honour copyrights...
Originally posted by: zaz_fan
P.S. Why the sudden rush to remove all the torrents from MySpleen? Surely, these can stay up till the official dvds are released? Probably cause Rik is honouring his word - which is that he won't distribute films that are released?
Further to my previous rant, September is still FAR AWAY! Until we get copies of what Lucas is feeding us, and we can confirm he has given us what we have wanted, let's go on as per usual doing what we do.
Oh come on you can't be serious?Originally posted by: Darth EditousP.S. Why the sudden rush to remove all the torrents from MySpleen? Surely, these can stay up till the official dvds are released? Probably cause Rik is honouring his word - which is that he won't distribute films that are released?
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
It should be enough to suck the wind out of many a preservationist's sails. Keep in mind that the '04 set, despite ridiculous color, audio and content changes, still sold tremendously well. Hell, the O-OT is being sold as an "added bonus". You could look at it as Lucas making sure his loudest detractors are forced to buy his bastardized editions in addition to their favorite version.
I knew he'd never have the balls to sell them seperately. Well he did say in 1995 that it was the last time the original movies would be available (there's a sticker on the box of my VHS trilogy saying that)... I suppose adding them as an "extra" means he's technically not breaking his word on that.
NZ is the most beautiful country in the world. Aus are getting changes (damn them!) Their Government has plans to make "format shifting" legal - but this will not legalize back-ups.... so backing up a CD to CD-R will still be illegal, as will backing up a DVD to DVD-R. The laws will legalize "backing up" from VHS or LaserDisc to DVD-R for personal use only, but it will (of course) remain illegal to distribute, or share, these copies with others. If that makes sense, more info here:
MAJOR COPYRIGHT REFORMS STRIKE BALANCE
In no uncertain terms, it says clearly:
Can someone else make a copy in a different format for me?
No. A format-shift copy must be made by the owner of the original copy. It will not be possible for a business to make copies for a customer.
Can I make a 'back-up' copy of a CD in case the original is lost or damaged?
No. A format-shift copy must be in a different audio format to the original.
Will I be able to copy a computer game?
No.
As I've explained these laws are not yet passed, and when they do here in NZ they mean squat… but it's a good basis for change as our government mimics what Aus and UK is doing (f*ck they're sheep sometimes – no pun intended lol).Originally posted by: RATLSNAKE
Furthermore, I do not like that comment about "state-of-the-art of 1993". If this comment has any truth to it, this is stating clearly they are not going back to any original film stock, and that they will return to some archived master they made in 93 for the then LD and VHS releases. If this is the case that is lazy and poor.
This is fine by me, the digital master they made in 1993 is fine. It was extensively cleaned up and restored at the time, and was state-of-the-art 1993 technology - granted they may be able to do a bit "better" now, but they'd probably ruin it by applying that damned grain filter to the maximum level as the did in 2004.Originally posted by: RATLSNAKEIt should be enough to suck the wind out of many a preservationist's sails. Keep in mind that the '04 set, despite ridiculous color, audio and content changes, still sold tremendously well. Hell, the O-OT is being sold as an "added bonus". You could look at it as Lucas making sure his loudest detractors are forced to buy his bastardized editions in addition to their favorite version.
I knew he'd never have the balls to sell them seperately. Well he did say in 1995 that it was the last time the original movies would be available (there's a sticker on the box of my VHS trilogy saying that)... I suppose adding them as an "extra" means he's technically not breaking his word on that.
Originally posted by: Metallaxis
Wait a minute: If I have the original LD, I can have as many copies or transfers as I like in my home, provided that I do not sell them or progect them in public places. Backing-up is not illegal. Am I wrong on this one? I think the exact same thing applies to compuer game's no-cd copy protection cracks. As long as you have the original disc, you can copy it and use it with the appropriate crack to use your backup to play it.
I can number a few sites that on that ground continue to provide download links to such cracks legaly. Am I mistaken here?
Sorry for getting out of topic, but there are so many things on my mind right now, I have to share them!
Look I don't know if you can legally, but I certainly can't. Backing up software (not computer games) is the only form of back up that has ever been legal, and that was for provisions of "1 archival back-up only". Since the introduction of more stable and reliable digital media (CD and DVD), there has never been any use for legalizing back-ups as the originals are seen to be of high enough quality to be reliable without needing a spare back-up copy.Wait a minute: If I have the original LD, I can have as many copies or transfers as I like in my home, provided that I do not sell them or progect them in public places. Backing-up is not illegal. Am I wrong on this one? I think the exact same thing applies to compuer game's no-cd copy protection cracks. As long as you have the original disc, you can copy it and use it with the appropriate crack to use your backup to play it.
I can number a few sites that on that ground continue to provide download links to such cracks legaly. Am I mistaken here?
Sorry for getting out of topic, but there are so many things on my mind right now, I have to share them!
NZ is the most beautiful country in the world. Aus are getting changes (damn them!) Their Government has plans to make "format shifting" legal - but this will not legalize back-ups.... so backing up a CD to CD-R will still be illegal, as will backing up a DVD to DVD-R. The laws will legalize "backing up" from VHS or LaserDisc to DVD-R for personal use only, but it will (of course) remain illegal to distribute, or share, these copies with others. If that makes sense, more info here:
MAJOR COPYRIGHT REFORMS STRIKE BALANCE
In no uncertain terms, it says clearly:
Can someone else make a copy in a different format for me?
No. A format-shift copy must be made by the owner of the original copy. It will not be possible for a business to make copies for a customer.
Can I make a 'back-up' copy of a CD in case the original is lost or damaged?
No. A format-shift copy must be in a different audio format to the original.
Will I be able to copy a computer game?
No.
As I've explained these laws are not yet passed, and when they do here in NZ they mean squat… but it's a good basis for change as our government mimics what Aus and UK is doing (f*ck they're sheep sometimes – no pun intended lol).Originally posted by: RATLSNAKE
Furthermore, I do not like that comment about "state-of-the-art of 1993". If this comment has any truth to it, this is stating clearly they are not going back to any original film stock, and that they will return to some archived master they made in 93 for the then LD and VHS releases. If this is the case that is lazy and poor.
Further to my previous rant, September is still FAR AWAY! Until we get copies of what Lucas is feeding us, and we can confirm he has given us what we have wanted, let's go on as per usual doing what we do.
I'm sure someone will have a real answer for you, but as I noted in my ANH thread, if you watch the transition into the Jabba scene on the 2004 DVD, you can actually see, briefly, elements of the 1997 SE Jabba.
Old Jabba ElementsOriginally posted by: andy_k_250
Could it be that the material released in September is going to be what was originally extracted from the original old theatrical master film reels for the 1993 Definitive Edition Laser Disc's? My reasoning is this - they keep mentioning 1993 technology - maybe they are talking about the first digital encoding done back in 1993. That first encoding was then compressed to fit a LD's space parameters, I assume. Maybe they are going to use the 1993 encoding and transfer it to DVD, which by should by definition create less compression from the digital source made in 1993 from the masters, as well as allowing more lines, which would let each image be able to breathe more than it did in the constraints of the LD format.
It's fully possible for this release to be what was hinted at by the OT (unaltered) scenes in Building Empire. Those few scenes, in my opinion, looked great.
The fact that they mention the original crawl for SW makes me wonder if they are using a theatrical master reel, since this would include the original crawl. However, as many here have demonstrated, it's not that hard to make your own crawl.
I did have one thought about it though. If they do screw this up (and I'm not for a moment saying they definitely will - I will offer up my trust until September) then it really will be the end, you know! It's not like one can start a new petition saying : "Well... ok, we've got the OOT now. But can we have it in better quality?". That'd probably get 12 signatures and not even 1/10th the publicity that the current petition got.
Anyway to quote my alleged irish roots... oh f*ck it... the rest of you who think you were drunk here... you're sober by my standards. I've had about 12 standard drinks over the last half hour (thank you Vodka!) and I bet none of you can tell this is written by someone who's so drunk he probably would knock on the wrong door getting home! Anyway until I visit this site next, which may not be for many months, stay well, enjoy this release, remember what I said in my previous posts and I do encourage you all to buy this release, or else you are liar too - because you've all said that you would buy the O-OT if released...
-BORiS!!!