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***The "Darth Editous" Episode V DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a work in progress — Page 2

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Alright!! I am SO pumped for this release. I do have one request however. This scene always bugged me.

The background in these shots is far too light. Makes it look very cut and paste imo. Can anything be done?

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What do you mean by background? The rocks? Those TIEs could do with a bit of colour taken out of them, but other than that I can't see much that's worse than the rest of the 1980s SFX.

DE
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Yeah the rocks. I dunno. Maybe add some more color to them? Add some more contrast and darken it perhaps?
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Can you still at least desaturate the windows? If not, oh we I guess.

Any idea if the Falcon's shadow is do-able?


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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Can you still at least desaturate the windows? If not, oh well I guess.

I don't know if it's just because I've been looking at it for too long on a laptop screen instead of a TV, but I can't see that it needs a fix.

Any idea if the Falcon's shadow is do-able?


I won't try to reshape it, but I might blur it. At the moment it's a perfectly sharp disc.

DE

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So be it then. I tried (I'm one of the few that can't stand any of them).

Blurring the shadow should help.

Are you going to tone down Artoo in space? In some shots of the edits I have, he's practically glowing. That's the only other thing that comes to mind.

So far, everything else sounds solid. As long as Vader's shutte is gone, I'll probably grab the torrent when it's available to go with the ANH disc.


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So be it

Creepy... I read/heard that in Palpatine's voice...

Are you going to tone down Artoo in space? In some shots of the edits I have, he's practically glowing. That's the only other thing that comes to mind.


After noting that "R2 not blue in space" for ANH (and not being able to do anything about it, really) my ESB list notes that "R2 TOO blue in space"

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
So be it


Creepy... I read/heard that in Palpatine's voice...

DE


Well that just made my day(assuming the Sharks win of course, but that's another story).


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I've noticed the Falcon/rocks discoloration as well during the asteroid chase....but if there is nothing that you can do about it, don't sweat it.
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Maybe if the color of the ships were toned down to match......It wouldn't contrast so much. In any case DE. I trust the esb disk will be nothing short of amazing.
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Already introduced myself in the DE ANH thread, but "hi" again.

Here are a few thoughts I just want to add all at once before I forget something:

It's horrifically superfluous, and serves no purpose other than to say "look! more special bits that weren't there the first time!" The same could be said for some of the shots of the Falcon flying through Cloud City.
Cloud car fly-by removal doesn't bug me, as long as it doesn't mess up any of the Leia shot. I quite agree about the Falcon, though. Completely unnecessary bells and whistles to make the SE fancier. It's all too...sparkly. (I will admit to loving it at first, though! But given the choice, I'd get rid of some of it and make it more OT)

- I think the rocks in the asteroid chase pictured above look all right, but yeah, those TIEs could be less colorful. Would help the scene overall, I think.

- Here's something that I don't know is even an issue anymore (I don't have the '04 DVDs, but lots of VHS copies): There is at least one scene in the movie where the film is reversed. Vader is talking to someone (forget who at the moment) and the rank insignia is on the wrong side of his uniform, etc... If it's still like that on the DVD, is it an easy fix to flip it?

Stabilised R2's text on the X-Wing console

That is so cool! Even as a youngster, I always thought "why is it so jumpy? It looks like it's just floating there."

- Shouldn't Clive Revill be left in the credits somehow? He did make a valuable contribution to the classic version, after all. His voice will always be burned into our brains. Then again, they never did list the lady who portrayed the emperor, and her contribution was certainly valuable as well. Hmm... At any rate, in the ANH thread, I listened to the edit you made to make McDiarmid say "yes...yesssss," and it sounds very good, despite Vader's wonky breathing. Haha.

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If it's still like that on the DVD, is it an easy fix to flip it?

Lucasfilm fixed that for the DVDs.

Shouldn't Clive Revill be left in the credits somehow?


He's not in the movie any more... besides, I pasted Ian McDiarmid's name over his. I'd have to jiggle the whole credits around to add another name.

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Originally posted by: Litter
George went and "re-did" a bunch of special effects shots, yet he left in the rickety stop motion tauntauns that look like they came out of a 50's Sinbad movie.





I agree, you would've thought Lucas would've corrected something from the very beginning of the movie, with the Special editions. That was one of the scenes that sticks out as needing to be corrected. Not so sure if it would be easy to do though, although i'd imagine morphing between frames would possibly be the easiest - i may be wrong though, just an idea.
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Not so sure if it would be easy to do though, although i'd imagine morphing between frames would possibly be the easiest - i may be wrong though, just an idea.


I'm afraid you are wrong I put one shot through a retimer and then motion blurred it - there wasn't much difference. The "problem" with the Taun Taun is that it doesn't quite move naturally, which no amount of interpolation will fix.

But, as I think I said before, I think it's part of the charm of the film and I won't be making any change to it.

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I am a bit surprised that they didn't re-do the tauntaun scenes for the SE. They could have even made a CG Luke, at least for the parts where it's running or at a distance. Not sure I'd wanna see a CG tauntaun circa 1997 or even 2004, though! The way it looks never bothered me in the least, and knowing how much work goes into stop-motion animation made me appreciate it even more.

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Hi D.E.,

Is there any chance you could brighten the lightsabers in the Dagobah cave scene?

They are dull and the colours are extremely muted. In previous versions of the film they are very brightly coloured. A simple comparison between dvd and laserdisc reveals this, as it is quite drastic. It looks like the glow around the edge of the sabers was desaturated to such an extent that it's hardly visible, making them look narrower than they should. I'd love to see that fixed!

I'm curious what you're going to do about the part beginning with Fett's line "put captain Solo in the cargo hold" and up to the cut back to the lightsabre duel. The SE's used the music as composed for the scene, so the very dodgy music edits present on earlier versions are corrected. But if you got Fett's lines from the laserdiscs, this dodgy music will be even worse (I have OCP's version and he got Fett's voice from the laserdisc, and there is a startling jump in the music right after Fett finishes his line). Perhaps taking Fett's line from the '97 SE would work here to make it flow correctly?

Sounds like you're doing a great job on this.
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I'll look into the lightsabres, although redoing lightsabres is subjective at best. I've previously limited myself to just a few frames when needed because each frame needs to be individually considered. You can't just apply the same glows and shapes to each frame, because then you lose the fairly iconic flickering.

Perhaps taking Fett's line from the '97 SE would work here to make it flow correctly?


I will be using the SE Laserdisc as my replacement audio source. ADM sent me OCP's edits but I haven't got around to watching them. I'm editing the full 5.1 channel mix so in most cases the music can go almost untouched when I replace dialogue.

DE
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That's great to hear about the audio--it will finally sound completely correct. I wish I had surround system (just stereo for me) so I could hear 5.1 properly. Ah well.

OCP did a pretty good job with the lightsabres in the carbonite chamber, making Vader's red again instead of pink. He didn't touch the cave scene, though, which is in part why I was wondering if you were doing it.
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I know it is WAY too early for Jedi discussion, but could you put this one on the list:

As 3PO and R2 enter Jabba's throne room, Greedo's exact dialogue can be heard in the crowd. That takes me right out of the scene. Can't stand it.

Thanks. Back to Empire discussion.
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Just a couple of updates, just to keep you all informed, and, if I'm honest, because I like seeing my thread on the front page

I've been working on the duel, particulary that one overhead shot where there are some fairly obvious matte lines, and flashes of light that don't extend over the matte painting. I'm also planning on adding a little bit of animated 3D CGI just to make the shot that bit more integrated.

I'm also planning on doing something clever with this shot:

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Does anyone have a high res scan of this painting?

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Just a couple of updates, just to keep you all informed, and, if I'm honest, because I like seeing my thread on the front page

Nothing wrong with a little self-promotion!

Anyway, I'm intrigued by the picture you added and what your tweaking could possibly mean. Your additions have been quality ones (even something simple as "Luke" saying "yeah," which added to the scene). Glad to hear from you and that the project is still going strong.

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I'm torn between revealing all now to whet your appetite, or saving it as a surprise... oh, what the heck. When Vader chops through the railing, it looks like Luke's lightsabre should have chopped through it at the base. Of course, if that happened, that section of railing would tumble into the abyss...

The other shot is just getting a bit of an upgrade to make it look less like a painting...

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AHH! SPOILERS! RUN!

Nah, that's ok. I hadn't thought about where the sabers hit, really. I figured they just sort of locked together and made one big slice downwards, but I'm going to look at that more closely now. I suppose thousands of other people have thought about it, too, and I was blissfully unaware.

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