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Decided “Life on Tatooine” should be required viewing for the clone troopers? I’m inclined to think that it was Anakin who choose it cause he grew up around that area. But the singing sequence makes me believe that Palpatine may have had a hand in it cause you know how he likes to go to shows. Like when he’s looking at that electic globe thing in Episode 3. He probably wanted to have something artsy in the material.

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I... I have no idea what's going on here...
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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Me neither, but it's the only thread that isn't about anamorphic DVDs right now, so I'm all for it.

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Good point.

And on that note, I'm gonna say it was Geordie LaForge that implemented the "Life On Tatooine" training exersize, right after he bought a few new scarves for Dr. Who.

Or something.
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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Originally posted by: iamstillhiro1112
Decided "Life on Tatooine" should be required viewing for the clone troopers? I'm inclined to think that it was Anakin who choose it cause he grew up around that area. But the singing sequence makes me believe that Palpatine may have had a hand in it cause you know how he likes to go to shows. Like when he's looking at that electic globe thing in Episode 3. He probably wanted to have something artsy in the material.


Yeah dude, are you alright? This don't make no sense!
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Maybe it's a new special edition addition for 2007! ^_~ A musical number about life on Tatooine sung by Luke as he gazes out on the twin sunsets. And then it pulls back and shows that it's just a movie being watched by Clone Troopers.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, the troopers who viewed Life on Tattooine were part of the task force searching for the Rebels on Kashyyk, right? Vader was more concerned with strategic matters by that point, and it's unlikely either him or Palpatine involved themselves in minor matters like cultural lessons for the troops. (Besides, Vader was so unsettled by his return to Tattooine that he never set foot on the planet. The last thing he'd do is try to get more people interested in it.) It's more likely a subordinate commander gave the order. That raises the question: Why?

The cordon and search of Kashyyk was a huge operation against a hostile population and, frankly, likely to fail. The Imperials had to know that any Rebel activity on Kashyyk would reach its zenith during Life Day, then the Rebs would move on to more far-flung cells. It's possible that Tattooine was the next stopover for that particular task force if the Rebels weren't caught among the Wookiees. In that case, a cultural briefing would be required before redeployment. Such educational films or briefings are really common in the armed forces, although usually they aren't briefed in the middle of cordon and search operations.
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How so you people not know what he is talking about....it's pretty common knowledge IMO

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Okay, somepeople really seem to have an obession with this Holiday Special thing. It was a stupid Christmas special for the sake of entertaining children and their families (in which it failed miserably). I for one would not care to consider it as canon, though I think some of the people here (though the vast minority) seem to wish to consider it so. If I am not mistaken the "Life on Tantooine" is the part that ends with the bartender singing to the drunken customers telling them to go home. The Galactic Empire is a truely sad and pathetic place if that is required watching for the Galactic Armed Forces.

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THREAD HIJACK!!

Since this thread is confusing, I'm going to go all terrorist on you and hijack this thread for my own stupid question.


A friend and I were talking about the battle strengths of various Star Wars characters, namely Luke, and how good of a Jedi he really was as compared to other previous Jedi that lived.
Then we began asking weirder and weirder questions and eventually asked the question, "So...how does Luke eventually bite the big one?" Not like we cared, but I'm sure it is written somewhere in some magical EU book or something about how he met his end, but now I am curious as to who "finalized" it.

I'm assuming some battle all Qui-Gonn style. Going out as an old 90 year old jedi rocking in his force chair just seems lame.

But then again. I have way too much time on my hands and I think crazy things.
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I'd prefer Luke die of natural causes. So few characters in this series do. Luke's had enough hardships in his life that he deserves a peaceful end.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: JarHead413
How so you people not know what he is talking about....it's pretty common knowledge IMO It is?

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I'd prefer Luke die of natural causes. So few characters in this series do. Luke's had enough hardships in his life that he deserves a peaceful end.
Yeah, I reckon Luke would die Yoda style - 'forever sleep'.

Wasn't there some comic set like a million years after ANH in which some dude finds 3PO's head in a cave and 3PO tells him all about Luke's life? Did that say how he died?

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Heh, that's unnecessarily creepy, finding 3PO's head in a cave!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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It worked for Data and Bender. Oops, wrong skiffy franchises. And Bender's head was in a hole, not a cave. But I digress.

Back on topic ... C3PX, you have no idea how dumb training videos can be. I can totally see some Moff decreeing that his Systems Army of conscripts and leftover clones needs some education and getting the Imperial equivalent of Children's Television Workshop to produce it.

According to Lucasfilm's canon policy, every element of the Holiday Special that does not contradict higher canon is in continuity. That includes Itchy, Lumpy, Life Day, etc; but probably excludes the Boba Fett cartoon, since that contradicts the filmic characterization of the Rebel Alliance as a secretive organization. Bast's survival is in question. I would argue that the canon policy only applies to Lucasfilm writers and that each and every fan can enjoy their personal continuity, free of corporate policy, but lots of fans are devoted to the "real" story according to whatever Lucasfilm is wearing this season.
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I think The Holiday special is more cannon than the fanbooks created. It has the original talent. And Lucas wrote to original draft. So I say shame on those people who haven't watched the show and couldn't understand what I was asking.
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Originally posted by: iamstillhiro1112
I think The Holiday special is more cannon than the fanbooks created. It has the original talent. And Lucas wrote to original draft. So I say shame on those people who haven't watched the show and couldn't understand what I was asking.


Yeah, er, shame on us...

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They should have showed the Wookie Life Day ceremony in the prequels.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: iamstillhiro1112
I think The Holiday special is more cannon than the fanbooks created. It has the original talent. And Lucas wrote to original draft. So I say shame on those people who haven't watched the show and couldn't understand what I was asking.


Yeah, er, shame on us...


Yeah, shame on us that we couldn't beat Lucas's magical hammer to a legit copy of the Holiday Special.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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And shame on us for not giving a crap about the 'canon' elements contained therein.

War does not make one great.

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Which brings me to: How the hell did Tarkin out rank Vader! I mean come on!
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Well, Tarkin was older, and was probably working the organs of power when Vader was still writing love poetry (in rhyming couplets, naturally) on the verdant moors of Naboo. Tarkin also never got carved up by a Jedi or fell into a depression over the death of his wife. He didn't go around killing Imperial officers, and needed no one to hold his leash. That's the difference between a career military/political officer and a thug.
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Hmm, imstillhiro1112 kind of reminds me of somebody we used to know, somebody who used to go about praising the Holiday Special all the time.

And Scruffy, I do know very well how lame training videos can be, however, while they may be cheesy and corny whatever else, they usually stop short of a woman singing to a bunch of drunken aliens to go home for the night because the bar is closing.

I have sat through the entirety of the HS and I had wanted to see it for many many years and was very happy when I finally got my hands on a decent enough copy. Then I forced myself with great difficulty to sit through it. I would prefer to consider the novels as canon over this thing. It makes our heros out to be dumb silly gits who can't sing. What was that stupid life day song to the SW tune, horrible. I think it is okay for a curiosity, and I wont jugde certian ones who seem to get excited by the mere mention of it, but I certainly don't feel those who have not seen it have missed out on anything.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Hmm, imstillhiro1112 kind of reminds me of somebody we used to know, somebody who used to go about praising the Holiday Special all the time.

I only watched the show for the first time a few days ago so That guy is different from me.

Originally posted by: C3PX
And Scruffy, I do know very well how lame training videos can be, however, while they may be cheesy and corny whatever else, they usually stop short of a woman singing to a bunch of drunken aliens to go home for the night because the bar is closing.


The military at times of war have sent musicians to perform for them so perhaps that is sorta what this is. I mean it don't seem like they get time to watch tv cause that one soldier got a kick out of that Jefferson Starship hologram video thing. So this was a sorta info/entertainment video hybrid.

Originally posted by: C3PX
I have sat through the entirety of the HS and I had wanted to see it for many many years and was very happy when I finally got my hands on a decent enough copy. Then I forced myself with great difficulty to sit through it. I would prefer to consider the novels as canon over this thing. It makes our heros out to be dumb silly gits who can't sing. What was that stupid life day song to the SW tune, horrible. I think it is okay for a curiosity, and I wont jugde certian ones who seem to get excited by the mere mention of it, but I certainly don't feel those who have not seen it have missed out on anything.


I don't think any of the heroes came off all that dumb. Sure Han hugged Chewie, but it was a friendly hug of two mutual friends who been thru hell together several times over. And Leia wasn't singing for no reason, she was singing a song that was probably traditional to the Life Day holiday. Just like how we have Jingle bells. And she was really the only one at that ceremony that could sing it. None of the guys wanted to probably, and Wookies probably can't sing very good. From what I could see noone was really out of character, the cheesiest parts came from other aspects.
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Are you actually taking this thing seriously and trying to explain it's crapness in a canonical way? (The Life Day equivalent of Jingle Bells, the strormtrooper getting excited about the hologram must mean they don't get much R&R - WTF?!!)

It's a shitty 1970s televisual mistake. That's all it is. You can't make excuses for it's crapness in order to make it fit into Star Wars continuity - it's just crap.

War does not make one great.