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Lord of the Rings - FOTR - The Book-Cut (Released) — Page 3

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Seeds for Book 2, anyone? I don't know if this is accurate, but the "peers" data on my BitTorrent client says that everyone who has more than 0% is stuck at 49.6%, myself included.
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For Disc 1 -

This is a 23.976 FPS file, and DVDs seem to only support PAL 25 fps or NTSC 29.97 FPS. Me knowing nothing at all about DVD authoring and such, I tried it anyway and, sure enough, the framerate is choppy and unwatchable on my TV. Is there an easy way to change the framerate to 29.97?
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
For Disc 1 -

This is a 23.976 FPS file, and DVDs seem to only support PAL 25 fps or NTSC 29.97 FPS. Me knowing nothing at all about DVD authoring and such, I tried it anyway and, sure enough, the framerate is choppy and unwatchable on my TV. Is there an easy way to change the framerate to 29.97?


I was just about to burn this to a DVD last night, and I have the exact same question.

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I dont know! AAH! I took all the DVD files from the 23.97fps NTSC DVD.... it's the only Extended Edition I have that goes on NTSC...

I don't know what to do... really.... rrgh...

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Edit: Misunderstood a post, gave a bunch of info that doesn't apply. Ignore this post.
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how come I have a PAL Sony DVD player that plays both NTSC and PAL DVDs with ease and I see no shutter problems even if it is shown
on a PAL TV? That's strange.

And also... would it help if I had the video turned to a .vob instead of an MPG? or would it pretty much be the same thing...

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Might need a deal of work converting it, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem compared with what I usually need to deal with doing my own edits.
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Lord Phillock, I'm curious. What did you do with the Finding of the Ring scene? Has it been cut? Moved?
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Crap, I misread the original poster's comment. I was thinking that he was saying that it was a PAL-formatted DVD...I should have remembered the Phillock only uploaded MPEGs. So the MPEG is 23.976, and the framerate needs to be adjusted to 29.976...

Done a bit of reading...what the issue is, is 23.976 in itself is not DVD compliant. You can encode to 23.976 fps and have it work for DVD....BUT, when you encode, you have to activate 2:3 pulldown...you wind up interlaced video that is 23.976 fps, but when transferred to DVD, plays at 29.976 fps, because the frames within the video have been flagged to repeat in a certain order, so that it plays at 29.976.

It would appear that you did a straight conversion to 23.976, with no pulldown involved, so the video, as is, will not work in a DVD player. There is a program that can take a video running at 23.976 and do pulldown on it, but I need to do some more reading...
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I suggest using this program and selecting the 23.976 --> 29.97 option.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=DGPulldown
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ShiftEyes:

Yeah, I was looking at a couple tools on that site as well...namely Pulldown.exe with the PullDownBatchFE frontend. I think the tool you suggested is better.

Lord Phillock:

This kind of thing is why I'm a pretty firm believer in learning to do everything yourself. It takes a lot longer, but it avoids issues like this, and it makes life a lot easier on the people wishing to look at your stuff. In the future, I'd suggest either going with fullblown DVDs, or going the xvid/divx route, which would make the filesizes a lot more convenient.
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all right... the following LOTR cuts will be available for download in DivX... I'm sure I could compress it to that...

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So you won't be doing them as mpg files? I'm disappointed by that, since divx generally means a quality drop. Not to mention, if we wanted them as DVDs, we'd have to go to the further trouble of encoding. Only benefit is the file sizes would be easier to manage.
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Well the other problem is that what he thought was DVD compatible is in fact not. Secondly, the number of people downloading and watching his project on his computer, versus the number that are actually going to the trouble of making the files into DVD, is very high...not many are making DVDs. So its a very few people who are benefitting for all that extra file size.
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The program ShiftyEyes mentioned worked for me and took only a few minutes before I had a DVD compatible video file. I really hope you continue this project with DVD size files as I'd like to see it all put together and watchable on the home theater. After fixing the video file, I noticed no jumping of frames on my Pioneer DVD player and it's very picky on what it plays properly. I hope you finish seeding the second DVD file for Fellowship at least if you are going to switch to divx. Again, it would be great to continue the project as DVD mpegs and the fix for your files is very fast. Thanks for seeding! Now I'm off to make a menu and some chapter stops for the first Fellowship disc.
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Agreed - please continue to release these in MPEG format. I'd love to have all these in full DVD quality, not piss-poor XVID encodes (bad memories of the MagnoliaFan edit torrents ... ). I'd like it even better if these were released in VIDEO_TS folders of .VOB files, but that's not an issue as long as they're in DVD-compliant MPEG.

I'm going to try the pulldown thing later on, too.
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Hey, if he can start releasing the MPEGs in a truly working order, then it's all good...if they were in DVD format, it'd be even better...
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As others have said, please continue to release these as MPEGs (having them as proper DVDs would be even better, but that's a step I can take). Those that want them as Xvid/Divx can reencode the mpeg. If you release them as Xvid/Divx, those of us that want them on DVD have to reencode to mpeg (which would probably cause a quality drop) and then we'd have to author them onto a DVD. As long as they're released as DVD compliant mpegs, either group of people only has to take one step to get what they want (either authoring onto DVD or reencoding to Divx).
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Wouldn't it be better for the original creator to release both a DVD image (or DVD-compliant MPEG) and a DivX/XviD encode? Encoding to DivX from the DVD would also cause a quality drop compared to exporting directly from the editing program.
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Originally posted by: wmgan
Wouldn't it be better for the original creator to release both a DVD image (or DVD-compliant MPEG) and a DivX/XviD encode? Encoding to DivX from the DVD would also cause a quality drop compared to exporting directly from the editing program.


Yes actually it would. I guess it depends on the target audience. If most of the people are just going to watch it on their computers and not share it with anyone else, then the easy thing to do is to just encode to DivX/XviD. If, however, the target audience is people who will be watching it on DVD on large screen TVs, then a DVD image or compliant MPEG is the way to go. It seems to me that the original intent was for people to take the mpeg and author it to a DVD and then watch that on their TV. That's why a lot of us want the releases kept as mpeg. Even the format they're in now doesn't require a lot to fix. Authoring isn't very difficult either.

On the other hand, a DivX/XviD encoded file won't be as easy to share. Sure, it's a smaller file size so it's easier to share over the net, but a DVD disc is a lot easier to copy and hand to someone. Most people I've ever shared these types of things with don't want to have to watch the video on their computer. They'd rather have a DVD that they can pop into just about any DVD player, instead of a file that may or may not work without downloading "yet another codec".
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why aren't these just released as single layer DVDs?

doesn't that make everything way easier?

then someone can make a divx encode and share that and everyone is happy...
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hi guys!

I'll release them into 4 GB Single Layer format DVD files.

I think that should make most people happy.

...but it won't be top-quality...

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The quality should be the same as it is right now. Will something be different?

It looks like there's no seeds on Book Cut 2 again. Can someone please seed?
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sorry...

yeah it's my seed... I'm sorry I can't seed non-stop, having problems with my internet connection and having to restart my computer sometimes.



anyway, considering the quality drop....

The Two Towers Disc 3 book cut is a massive 10 GBs...! Because it has some FOTR scenes and some ROTK scenes as well.
if I reduced it to 4GBs... the quality will pretty much go down.

same with other book-cuts over 4 GBs...

in wich Disc 4 Book Cut is 4.9 GBs, Disc 5 is 7GBs, Disc 6 is thankfully exactly 4.

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