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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
CASE VERY FAR FROM CLOSED!
Remaking Star Wars is just about as dumb an idea as remaking 'Psycho' shot for shot.


That's pretty much the idea. I'd love to see Lucas' remakes go down in flames to prove, once and for all, that OT is the one and only Star Wars and that Lucas has become a megalomaniac!

I especially like the idea, because it would mean that Lucas would be fessing up to how much of the OT he owed to other people involved in the filmmaking process!

Changing a few scenes throughout the first three films and then saying the story is now what he originally envisioned is very, VERY hard to swallow. And I'm not.

All of that aside, there's an outside chance that there could be something cool in a remake.

Edit: AN EXTREME outside chance. Especially after trying to watch Episode 2 this evening. Sheesh! What a heaping pile!
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My two cents: remaking the original trilogy would be probably the only remake that would make me madder than the Revenge of the Nerds remake that's happening.

Also, who is Lucus?

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I would never in a million years want to see a remake of the OT. Pure blasphemy.
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Why do you guys even care if he did remake them you got what you wanted (the OT on dvd coming out). So have a open mind about it. Don't knock it until you see it because you might just be eating your words if you like the remakes. If they came out better than the prequels everyone who said it would be a mistake will be jumpin on the band wagon saying that it was a good idea. So the point is give it a chance because you just never know.
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Lucas should make I, II, and III over. They're the ones that need work.
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TheCassidy, I'm right along with you on your thoughts. I'll add my $0.02 to the mix.

Originally posted by: TheCassidy

-Obi-Wan doesn't "remember" the Droids because he is covering up. Obi-Wan's words say one thing, but his face says another.
It's even simpler than that. He says, "I don't recall ever OWNING a droid." Which is the truth, however misleading. Artoo didn't belong to Obi-Wan. As a Jedi, NOTHING belonged to him except for his clothes and his saber. The novelization of III goes into this quite well, discussing how Anakin gave his one other material posession, Threepio, to Padme as a wedding gift. Artoo belonged to Padme, and was transferred to the House of Organa along with Threepio after her death.

-Obi-Wan told Luke that his Father wanted him to have his lightsaber because it was less painful than the truth, and a convenient plot device to get Luke a lightsaber.

Agreed. And Episode III taught us something we didn't know ... that Anakin did know of his pending fatherhood. Therefore, it is a safe assumption on Obi-Wan's part that had he known about Luke, he would have WANTED him to have it.

-What do you want? Obi-Wan doing backflips when he's like, 80 years old? The Jedi/Sith are aging and less powerful than they were during I-III. No leap of faith there.

Zactly! Makes me really, really hate the stupid backflip that Tyrannus did in III. I wanted so badly to cut that out of my edit, but it wouldn't explain how he got from point A to point B.
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Originally posted by: Skyranger
Lucas should make I, II, and III over. They're the ones that need work.

LOL! If only it was a perfect world where Lucas actually had good movie-making sense.
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Originally posted by: Je
Why do you guys even care if he did remake them you got what you wanted (the OT on dvd coming out). So have a open mind about it.
No, we haven't gotten what we wanted. Is the OT coming out on DVD? Yeah. Will it be any better than what we already have? Everything at this time points to "no." We haven't yet been given a good reason to actually buy these things that are coming out when we already own things that look just as good.

Don't knock it until you see it because you might just be eating your words if you like the remakes. If they came out better than the prequels everyone who said it would be a mistake will be jumpin on the band wagon saying that it was a good idea. So the point is give it a chance because you just never know.

No, we do know. There is absolutely no way that, if Lucas remade the OT, they would be any better than the ones he originally made. Lucas has proved time and time again that he's become more inept at filmmaking as time progresses. That's not going to change.

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Makes me really, really hate the stupid backflip that Tyrannus did in III. I wanted so badly to cut that out of my edit, but it wouldn't explain how he got from point A to point B.


Easy.

-Shot of Tyranus walking up to railing.

-Cut to close-up of Anakin or other character on other side of room, with some rustling sounds.

-Cut to shot of Tyranus on the ground.

Ba-da-bing. There ya go!


And yeah, Lucas remaking the OT is the dumbest idea in the history of bad ideas. It's almost as bad as someone remaking, say..... "The Omen"!

Oh, wait.........

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Really, I don't have a problem with a remake being made. There's certainly no way that a remake will reproduce the success of the original trilogy even if it's spectacular, which based on George Lucas' performance since 1999, I'm sure it won't be. Simply a mass of the latest special effects accompanied by a very weak story.

All I'm really interested in is the preservation of these history making films, and being able to obtain a QUALITY copy of these movies that allows for the most accurate reproduction of the theater experiences of 1977, 1980, and 1983 using currently available home theater technology.

I suspect that those who were not old enough to experience the 1977 release of "Star Wars" really don't appreciate the impact it had on both the movie industry, and the culture in general.

How many people would prefer to have remakes replace "Gone with the Wind", "Citizen Kane", or other classic movies? Or would you like to see these movies digitally altered? And have the original classics removed from availability, or only available on VHS tape?
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Heh, that reminds me of Orson Welles's comment when Ted Turner wanted to colorize Citizen Kane. It was something like, "Keep Ted Turner and his damned box of Crayolas away from my movie!!!"

I'm not old enough to have experienced Star Wars in theatres, but I know the impact it had, not only on the industry (although I lack the first person perspective of that) but on myself personally.

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Well, I suspect it's like my perspective on the moon landing. I never knew a world where man hadn't walked on the moon. But I did know the world when there was no "Star Wars".
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Yeah, you have a point, and I suspect I'll never really know what the world was like before Star Wars.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Think of Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back. Think of the Emperor from Return of the Jedi. I know I'm not the only person who thinks that fighting with lightsabers is just beneath them, plain and simple. Yoda is the mentor. He lifts X-Wings from the swamp and gives philsophical discussions on the Force. He prepares Luke for his battles. Palpatine is the instigator. He watches with glee from the comfort of his chair as his lackeys go at each other with colored blades. When he needs to exert his authority, he stands up and fries people with lightning bolts without so much as breaking a sweat. And when both of them are done, they simply pick up their canes and hobble away. Giving them lightsabers in the prequels weakened them so much by forcing them to fight on the same level as the main characters. It was just done as a pathetic attempt to make the prequels "more intense!!!"

EDIT: And then Revenge of the Sith added salt to the wound by having them fight each other! At least at one point, for a very short time, they did put away their lightsabers and start attacking each other with the manipulation of objects. That is how they should fight. With object manipulation, Force lightning, strangulation, and any other Force power that Lucas could have created. Instead, the only Force powers they seemed to gain were the ability to jump thousands of feet in the air and move really, really fast. Or, should I say, be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and run faster than a speeding bullet?


I agree with you there completely. Lucas totally removed any mystery to the Emperor and Yoda in the prequels. They lost all of their "badass" qualities. Darth Saruman should have never been given lightning powers. It made the sith into cookie-cutter bad guys.

As for Yoda, in Empire he said that the force should never be used to attack, only to defend. I always envisioned him as this awesome master of the force that focused solely on defense and redirecting the power of his opponents. Turning their agression back upon them so that they destroy themselves in the end. That would have been kickass. I even thought George was sort of going in that direction when Yoda was absorbing the lightning, but nope, we got a laughably unrealistic Yoda bouncing off the walls.

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Heh, Darth Saruman. I love that. And yeah, that's what I was getting at with Yoda too. The spirituality of the Force is never really delved into in the prequels (the midi-chlorians pretty much killed that possibility). It's all about moving really fast, jumping really high, and having really cool-looking swords. And I admit they had some pretty cool fights, but if you bring Yoda and the Emperor into the fray, then you expect to see something different! Something sagey and guru-like. Instead, everybody has the same powers.

EDIT: And that's what I always used to think the difference was between Jedi Knight (hello, the word knight mean anything to anybody?) and Jedi Master. Masters were the teachers. They were higher up. Maybe they had been knights back in the day, or maybe they had taken a different path in the Force than Knights. That's why, I always thought, Obi-Wan could fight but managed to fail at training Anakin properly and why Yoda would have been a better choice. He was a Master. Training was what he did! Fighting was what Obi-Wan did.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Slow down people! I'll simplify so even the duller knives in this draw of mighty cuttlery will understand it.

*It's not like he'd ever remake them. He has such faith in his digital alterations to the original, that he feels they already work. Probably.

*Remaking them would not be a bad thing. He'd waste his own money to do it, he'd make crap films I could laugh at, and he'd *leave the good ones alone* for a change.

I don't see a problem!
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Personally, I'd rather see him remake the prequels. He has time now to do it because the cast is still about as old as they were the first time he made them.
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I had a buddy in high school that loved Star Wars but also wanted to see what it would look like re-made. We almost weren't buddies anymore after that.


But a movie is a different medium than a book. Sure, they are both stories, but you can't just interchange actors for actors even if you play the movie scene by scene (Psycho I'm looking in your direction.) The actors and original shots are an entegral part of the story.

1976 the Star Wars book met with lackluster sales, but after the movie, the book was on the top 10.

Remaking classics is a horrible, horrible idea. Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz, Casablanca. Could you imagine those...remade? (And I don't meen "blackification" that was done with "The Wiz" or Family Guy' "Black to the Future." That is just plain sacrilige.)
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Originally posted by: Je
I think he should make them over. I love the originals but they just look to out of date. Especially IV ANH man it just looks to low budget but its still a good movie. If he does do them over he can really make them how he intended to. He can also add to the story or change little things. I don't think anyone would disagree with a lightsaber battle between the empire and vader at the end of VI ROTJ instead of him just throwing the emp down the drain like he wasn't nothing. I would pay to see that. Excuse me while I vomit.

Originally posted by: Je
I agree with you darkhelmet. The originals are what they are ORIGINALS! Now its time for a remake. Its like this, what would you rather watch 1930's King Kong or 2005 King Kong? The originals are classics so leave them alone.
Movies are new and improved. So why not remake IV,V and VI. Thats all I'm saying. Most of the movies these days are remakes anyway. Many of them turn out to be better than the originals (batman is a great example even though I think no one can ever replace Jack as joker). CASE CLOSED!
Case reopened - I for one would rather watch the original '33 King Kong and/or poke my eyes out with blunt sticks than watch Kong '05 again. And Burton's batman movies DO NOT need to be remade (although batman is a crappy example because comics are always being 'reimagined' every decade or so - Batman alone has been bought to the screen in a number of interpretations).

The only movies that should ever be remade are movies with good ideas that were executed badly, in the hope that the remake will do a better job of turning a good idea into a good movie. An example of this is the new Battlestar Galactica series, which takes an idea and develops it into something with the same central ideas and characters, but presented in a different, and many would say better way (that's not to say I don't like the original series, but you get the idea). Taking a movie that is already good and remaking it is pointless, and often disastrous.

However, despite the fact that I fundamentally disagree with everything you have to say, I wish Lucas would just remake 4 5 and 6 - that way he would leave the true trilogy alone, and maybe, just maybe, I would be able to enjoy his 6 part 'vision'. But it wouldn't be star wars - it would be some other thing, and I would consider it just that - a seperate, unrelated thing.

One last thing: Saying a movie is dated and therefore should be remade is ridiculous. Time passes and things date. That doesn't mean they need to be replaced by a 'new model'. They are of their time, and that is often part of their value. Shall we burn the Mona Lisa and photoshop a new one (modelled on Mandy Moore) to hang in the Louvre?

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People keep citing the Psycho remake in this thread.

THAT IS MY POINT - the remake sucked and everyone knows it. It would be no different with a remade OT. Nobody would take it very seriously, and he'd have his 'complete' original vision at last.

And if remakes truly do suck... why on earth would you want him to make the PT again if you don't like them? Wouldn't they just get worse? Now that's a frightening thought.
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
And if remakes truly do suck... why on earth would you want him to make the PT again if you don't like them? Wouldn't they just get worse? Now that's a frightening thought.
Not if you read my above post - in the right hands, the central ideas could be reworked and developed into something that doesn't suck.

But no, I don't want the PT or the OT remade.

War does not make one great.

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I don't know if it's a good idea. We all know how George is. If he remade the movies, those would be his "vision," and the original trilogy (in any version) would suddenly and magically "cease to exist," and we'd never see them again.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Zebonka
And if remakes truly do suck... why on earth would you want him to make the PT again if you don't like them? Wouldn't they just get worse? Now that's a frightening thought.


They could be worse?
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I definitely don't want the originals replaced, but I think it would be fairly interesting to see how different these movies would be if they were made today.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Case reopened... The only movies that should ever be remade are movies with good ideas that were executed badly, in the hope that the remake will do a better job of turning a good idea into a good movie... Taking a movie that is already good and remaking it is pointless, and often disastrous.
Disastrous? We could only hope. That's actually why I think he should remake them according to his early, original ideas. It might finally be clear to Joe Average how bad of a script writer/filmmaker George Lucas has become. I'd even dare say that he's NEVER been great by himself.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
However, despite the fact that I fundamentally disagree with everything you have to say, I wish Lucas would just remake 4 5 and 6 - that way he would leave the true trilogy alone, and maybe, just maybe, I would be able to enjoy his 6 part 'vision'. But it wouldn't be star wars - it would be some other thing, and I would consider it just that - a seperate, unrelated thing.


I'd be open to enjoying his new 6-part "vision", too if it turned out to be good. It would be a "What If?" story related to the SW Universe.

However, he'd need to re-edit the PT ala The Phantom Editor to get me to watch it.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
One last thing: Saying a movie is dated and therefore should be remade is ridiculous. Time passes and things date. That doesn't mean they need to be replaced by a 'new model'. They are of their time, and that is often part of their value. Shall we burn the Mona Lisa and photoshop a new one (modelled on Mandy Moore) to hang in the Louvre?


I agree. A bolder cinematic attempt would have been to shoot the PT to match the look of the Original Trilogy, from art direction to writing to editing to directing. Can you imagine if he had deliberately casted and designed the PT to look like films shot in the '70s and '80s? (and spent more time and effort on sculpting a Yoda puppet that actually resembled the OT Yoda? but i digress.)