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Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have! — Page 9
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
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Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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"Having succumbed to outcries from the public, Lucasfilm (a corporation, not an individual person) have decided to make the original, unaltered trilogy available on DVD. My guess is that they will be sub-par because all my prior research on the topic lead me to believe there was no way to properly remaster the original trilogy because the raw film negative & elements no longer existed as they were. After the Special Editions, the old negative was beyond repair and they had to rely on the new negative only. This is a direct quote from Rick McCallum. How they were able to either restore, or maybe they haven't, and it's just an el cheapo transfer from old masters, regardless - what the people wanted, they are getting. Sadly, I think it's more sentimental than realistic to watch the unaltered versions. I have them, and I have seen them since seeing the various releases."
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I think there is a certain distain for the O-OT with Lucasfilm. Lucas has already said he only considers the '04 SSE's to be "official".
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Originally posted by: zombie84
This is unsurprising--the original negatives were barely usable in 1993 when they were dug up for the Special Edition and restored, likely in a new Internegative and Interpositive. They caught them in the nick of time and had they waited a few more years the negatives would have been unusable. So it is no surprise that after thirteen more years of decomposition they are basically museum relics. But its no matter--the new 1993 Internegative made from the original 1977, 80 and 83 negatives is in pristine condition--this is what the basis was for the 97 SE. How did it look in theaters in 1997? Pretty good i think. So thats what the new transfers should look like.
This is unsurprising--the original negatives were barely usable in 1993 when they were dug up for the Special Edition and restored, likely in a new Internegative and Interpositive. They caught them in the nick of time and had they waited a few more years the negatives would have been unusable. So it is no surprise that after thirteen more years of decomposition they are basically museum relics. But its no matter--the new 1993 Internegative made from the original 1977, 80 and 83 negatives is in pristine condition--this is what the basis was for the 97 SE. How did it look in theaters in 1997? Pretty good i think. So thats what the new transfers should look like.
I totally agree. I remember 'slick talking' McCallum said in the '97 Laserdisk SE Interviews that if they didn't restore the negatives back then, a couple of more years and they would have deteriorated to nothing. I think that is a hyperbole just to make a big deal that you should thank us cause we saved the Star Wars! I'm sure they were in bad shape, but the timing of the 20th anniversary and then saving the original negatives was too coincidental.
McCallum also said Boba Fett would be in Episode III, so I take him more with a grain of salt than I do with what Lucas says.
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Originally posted by: CO
I totally agree. I remember 'slick talking' McCallum said in the '97 Laserdisk SE Interviews that if they didn't restore the negatives back then, a couple of more years and they would have deteriorated to nothing. I think that is a hyperbole just to make a big deal that you should thank us cause we saved the Star Wars! I'm sure they were in bad shape, but the timing of the 20th anniversary and then saving the original negatives was too coincidental.
McCallum also said Boba Fett would be in Episode III, so I take him more with a grain of salt than I do with what Lucas says.
Originally posted by: zombie84
This is unsurprising--the original negatives were barely usable in 1993 when they were dug up for the Special Edition and restored, likely in a new Internegative and Interpositive. They caught them in the nick of time and had they waited a few more years the negatives would have been unusable. So it is no surprise that after thirteen more years of decomposition they are basically museum relics. But its no matter--the new 1993 Internegative made from the original 1977, 80 and 83 negatives is in pristine condition--this is what the basis was for the 97 SE. How did it look in theaters in 1997? Pretty good i think. So thats what the new transfers should look like.
This is unsurprising--the original negatives were barely usable in 1993 when they were dug up for the Special Edition and restored, likely in a new Internegative and Interpositive. They caught them in the nick of time and had they waited a few more years the negatives would have been unusable. So it is no surprise that after thirteen more years of decomposition they are basically museum relics. But its no matter--the new 1993 Internegative made from the original 1977, 80 and 83 negatives is in pristine condition--this is what the basis was for the 97 SE. How did it look in theaters in 1997? Pretty good i think. So thats what the new transfers should look like.
I totally agree. I remember 'slick talking' McCallum said in the '97 Laserdisk SE Interviews that if they didn't restore the negatives back then, a couple of more years and they would have deteriorated to nothing. I think that is a hyperbole just to make a big deal that you should thank us cause we saved the Star Wars! I'm sure they were in bad shape, but the timing of the 20th anniversary and then saving the original negatives was too coincidental.
McCallum also said Boba Fett would be in Episode III, so I take him more with a grain of salt than I do with what Lucas says.
Boba Fett was indeed supposed to be in Episode III originally.
As for the convenient timing of the "rescue" perhaps it was a bit exagerated but i think the negatives truely were on the cusp of being nearly unusable (or, to put it more lightly, of the same or worse condition than the other dupe prints such as the 1985 interpositive). But by now they must be useless, i completely agree with reports which state the original negatives are basically useless by now. But like i said it doesnt really matter because the 1993 restorations are as good as the originals anyway. The camera negatives have seemed to have held up okay though, since we got all of those outtakes in the 2004 dvd.
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That's enough for me.
On a little side note:
Actually, as I was watching my Dr. Gonzo set I thought how nice it would be to have those Definitive "THX" promo's as well....those were really cool. Please don't flame me for this post, I was just thinking out loud. I have never been able to keep up with all the "technical" conversations as my knowledge doesn't extend as far as most others here but I do know what I miss and that is the OT I grew up with.
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Neil
Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
The THX trailer on the Dr. Gonzo discs was fan made. It's not an official trailer.
Neil
The THX trailer on the Dr. Gonzo discs was fan made. It's not an official trailer.
Neil
I did not know that.....until now of course. Thanks for setting me straight Neil.
They are still "really cool".......
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Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
DarthFirst also "confirmed" they are new transfers from the 1993 print. So we are a stalemate.
As far as official info, it would seem to imply they are as DarthFirst has claimed.
I dont believe this Digital Bits rumor--for now at least.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
DarthFirst also "confirmed" they are new transfers from the 1993 print. So we are a stalemate.
As far as official info, it would seem to imply they are as DarthFirst has claimed.
I dont believe this Digital Bits rumor--for now at least.
Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
DarthFirst also "confirmed" they are new transfers from the 1993 print. So we are a stalemate.
As far as official info, it would seem to imply they are as DarthFirst has claimed.
I dont believe this Digital Bits rumor--for now at least.
Neither am I. I mean everyone gets wrong sources sometimes.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
I guess The Digital Bits has "confirmed" that the original versions will be non-anamorphic. Take that however you like.
I can only hope this is a mistake.
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And wait for the non-anamorphic rumor dust to settle before we start burning Lucas at the stake. But don't let your torches burn out either.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I'm about ready to quit Star Wars fandom.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
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http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
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I hear ya - I think I've had enough as well. How difficult is it to get the films you remember seeing and fell in love with released on DVD with quality befitting the name Star Wars and THX. Lucas really has shown his true colours 97 onwards and I think has pretty much lost most of his respect not just from the fans but those in the biz as well. Enough is enough.
Roll on the X0 project - that's were my money will be going from now on as they actaully care about this release.
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Meanwhile, I recommend everybody put their 2004 set up for sale on Amazon or eBay to flood the market and make the value of the discs plummet. Re-buy the new set in Sept., mail the 2004 discs back to Lucasfilm, with a note saying "Even the shitty non-anamorphic transfer of the O-OT means more to me than your Special Editions."
Jay, if the home page explains how to do this, Lucasfilm will be inundated come September. If only three dozen die-hard forum members do it, we'll be a punch line. But if all 60,000+ petitioners did this, LFL would be swamped and maybe finally get the message.