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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
It's going to be a great generation for games.

You've got Microsoft and Sony competing on the horsepower front.... having two commercial Frankensteins forcing each other to throw their entire weights behind their products is a good thing (expensive, but good.) Gone are the days when companies that wanted to compete visually could manage to turn profit on their hardware.... having to keep up with the Jonses is forcing both of them to cram unbelievable amounts of power into small packages and sell each individual unit at a large loss. They both have interesting, beautiful games on the horizon (and the 360 already has a classic in Oblivion as well as a couple other genuinely great games.) Having just bought a new car my checkbook is spread a little thin at the moment so the 600 dollar price tag is a little daunting.... but I'll find a way to scrape it up.

Nintendo, not having the same amount of financial stability (being a bottomless pit of funds and the ability to take a loss on each hardware unit without batting an eye) as the other two, has taken a completely different route. Given the fact that the console will be a completely different experience and will most likely be dirt cheap I'll definitely pick one up
Fanboys and nostalgia whores aside, the industry hasn't been this appealing in ages.


I suppose Nintendo does have a fair amount of financial stability. At one point they could have simply lived off Game Boy and Pokémon,and they probably still could. I'm just glad that they still feel compelled to innovate.



Not nearly as much as either Sony or Microsoft. Nintendo has nothing to fall back on (if their games fail, they fail. Nintendo is their games.)


Nintendo still makes enormous amounts of profit (for a company that only makes video games).... especially off of their handhelds... they have to or they wouldn't stay afloat.

If Nintendo sustained the sorts of losses Microsoft incurred during the original XBox's days (and with the 360) Nintendo would no longer exist. Microsoft can afford to take such a hit - they don't just make games, they have other things to fall back on. After seeing how much revenue the industry generates Gates was willing to shove his foot in the door and get his toes stubbed - anything to get Microsoft into the party. Nintendo isn't able to compete graphically anymore given what sort of hardware is in the 360 and what will be in the PS3, they can't afford to overextend themselves.

Microsoft and Sony are so busy competing with one another, hoping to gain exclusive control over their competitor's share of the market, and in doing so they have made super fucking expensive machines they have no choice but to sell to us at huge losses. Nintendo can't do this, they may be seen as the "innovators" this round but in reality they have no other choice.... they've been forced into a corner (Keep in mind that Nintendo has always been on the cutting edge of graphics. Also, historically, it didn't cost so much to remain cutting edge graphically. They can't afford it anymore.) And when Nintendo is forced into a corner it sometimes acts like a wild animal or a confused old person, it just does crazy things. They don't know karate, man, but they know crazy - and they will use it. And BAM! The new Wii remote. Luckily for them sometimes crazy desperation pays off.... but sometimes it doesn't.

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Technically Nintendo could drop out of the console business entirely. They make ridiculous gobs of money off their handhelds. Keep in mind also that the big N' MAKES money on each console. That includes the DS, GC, GBA. etc. They posted their first loss EVER in that dry spell between the gc and the DS. As far as businesses go, nintendo is the ONLY successful business in the market in that they continue to make money. What makes that interesting is that nintendo still never fails to rock the boat. The game boy was and is huge. They could have just brought out bigger and newer and faster game boys, there is NO competition (psp doesn't count). If it was sony, they would just keep releasing psp2 psp3. Instead, nintendo goes and releases a completely new handheld, with nothing in it for them, just for us, the gamers. Admitedly it did get huge, but that was because they were right, it IS fun. Think about it, what company completely changes their game-plan nowadays? NOBODY. That just goes to show that nintendo cares. They don't go the tried and true route. Say all you want about 'they were tapping the demographic'. They didn't KNOW they could tap that demographic. The risks far outweigh the gains and in business speak that is suicide. It's the same with the wii, I think that regardless of what MS and Sony did, nintendo would have released the Wii regardless. The DS just proves that they know that new games are needed.
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A lot of good points. Nintendo IS a gaming company. It may be their success and their failure, but on the flipside of the coin, all of their effort and focus is on that industry. Microsoft has to develop the next Windows, Office, and other computer software whilst Sony has to design sound systems, electronics and such. Nintendo are working within their means and prospering while Sony and Microsoft are struggling to make a profit.

To throw even more light on this idea, it appears that Sony is taking a huge risk with the PS3, putting all of its eggs (including the Blu-Ray egg) into this basket:

Sony's PS3 Gamble
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I can't wait for the Bob Ross painting game!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
It's going to be a great generation for games.

You've got Microsoft and Sony competing on the horsepower front.... having two commercial Frankensteins forcing each other to throw their entire weights behind their products is a good thing (expensive, but good.) Gone are the days when companies that wanted to compete visually could manage to turn profit on their hardware.... having to keep up with the Jonses is forcing both of them to cram unbelievable amounts of power into small packages and sell each individual unit at a large loss. They both have interesting, beautiful games on the horizon (and the 360 already has a classic in Oblivion as well as a couple other genuinely great games.) Having just bought a new car my checkbook is spread a little thin at the moment so the 600 dollar price tag is a little daunting.... but I'll find a way to scrape it up.

Nintendo, not having the same amount of financial stability (being a bottomless pit of funds and the ability to take a loss on each hardware unit without batting an eye) as the other two, has taken a completely different route. Given the fact that the console will be a completely different experience and will most likely be dirt cheap I'll definitely pick one up
Fanboys and nostalgia whores aside, the industry hasn't been this appealing in ages.


I suppose Nintendo does have a fair amount of financial stability. At one point they could have simply lived off Game Boy and Pokémon,and they probably still could. I'm just glad that they still feel compelled to innovate.



Not nearly as much as either Sony or Microsoft. Nintendo has nothing to fall back on (if their games fail, they fail. Nintendo is their games.)


Nintendo still makes enormous amounts of profit (for a company that only makes video games).... especially off of their handhelds... they have to or they wouldn't stay afloat.

If Nintendo sustained the sorts of losses Microsoft incurred during the original XBox's days (and with the 360) Nintendo would no longer exist. Microsoft can afford to take such a hit - they don't just make games, they have other things to fall back on. After seeing how much revenue the industry generates Gates was willing to shove his foot in the door and get his toes stubbed - anything to get Microsoft into the party. Nintendo isn't able to compete graphically anymore given what sort of hardware is in the 360 and what will be in the PS3, they can't afford to overextend themselves.

Microsoft and Sony are so busy competing with one another, hoping to gain exclusive control over their competitor's share of the market, and in doing so they have made super fucking expensive machines they have no choice but to sell to us at huge losses. Nintendo can't do this, they may be seen as the "innovators" this round but in reality they have no other choice.... they've been forced into a corner (Keep in mind that Nintendo has always been on the cutting edge of graphics. Also, historically, it didn't cost so much to remain cutting edge graphically. They can't afford it anymore.) And when Nintendo is forced into a corner it sometimes acts like a wild animal or a confused old person, it just does crazy things. They don't know karate, man, but they know crazy - and they will use it. And BAM! The new Wii remote. Luckily for them sometimes crazy desperation pays off.... but sometimes it doesn't.


Nintendo can make a system right now that is powerful enough to do the HD graphics. Nintendo, I think it was Iwata, said that their next console will have HD graphics. The reason that they didn't go with HD graphics with the Wii is because the majority of people still have SDTVs (standard definition). Think about this, in order to get the best gameplay experience out of the Xbox360, you need to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a HDTV. So that'll bring the cost of Xbox360 to, let's just say, $3,400 (assuming the tv was $3,000 and you got the $399 system and no games). Now with the Wii you can get the system and let's just say two games for $300-$350 (that's with Wii costing $199 or $249 respectively) You need to remember that Nintendo is, and always has, gone for the mainstream. They wanted and still want their console to be affordable. This generation they are trying to bring in non-gamers to the scene.

TheRedBaron mentions that Microsoft has to make Vista and the new Office and what not and Sony has to desing sound systems and electronics and such. The thing that you need to releaize is that the development groups creating Vista and Office are not the groups creating the games or making the hardware. The same goes for Sony. They are gonna have a department that deals with just the consoles. It would be pretty stupid of Microsoft to have the team that creates video games have to stopped what they are doing so that they can work on Vista. If they did that then Microsoft wouldn't come out with any new games, I'm talking about stuff like Midtown Madness 3 and such. The same goes with Sony, except I don't think that they really develop games, but I'm not positive.

Stinky also says that if Nintendo's game's fail then they fail. But you need to remember, and it is mentioned, that Nintendo is in both the Console and Handheld market. Right now they are dominating the handheld market. If Wii were to fail, they could most likely easily stay in the video game market through the handheld market. They might even be able to try again in the console market one more time if they were to fail, but I'm not to sure about that. I've tried to find financial statments pertaining to Nintendo, but I'm not sure if they are a publicly trade company.

One more thing I want to mention. For Super Mario Galaxy, Miyamoto said that if it misses launch then it will come out withing 6 months after launch: http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707709p1.html

Anyway, that's my thoughts on some of the stuff, and some fact. I'm sorry I couldn't link to the article where I read the thing about HD next generation, but I searched. I know it's harder to believe something that isn't linked but I can't remember what the article was about. On top of that it's now 2:41am so I really should be sleeping

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Originally posted by: Shark2k
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
It's going to be a great generation for games.

You've got Microsoft and Sony competing on the horsepower front.... having two commercial Frankensteins forcing each other to throw their entire weights behind their products is a good thing (expensive, but good.) Gone are the days when companies that wanted to compete visually could manage to turn profit on their hardware.... having to keep up with the Jonses is forcing both of them to cram unbelievable amounts of power into small packages and sell each individual unit at a large loss. They both have interesting, beautiful games on the horizon (and the 360 already has a classic in Oblivion as well as a couple other genuinely great games.) Having just bought a new car my checkbook is spread a little thin at the moment so the 600 dollar price tag is a little daunting.... but I'll find a way to scrape it up.

Nintendo, not having the same amount of financial stability (being a bottomless pit of funds and the ability to take a loss on each hardware unit without batting an eye) as the other two, has taken a completely different route. Given the fact that the console will be a completely different experience and will most likely be dirt cheap I'll definitely pick one up
Fanboys and nostalgia whores aside, the industry hasn't been this appealing in ages.


I suppose Nintendo does have a fair amount of financial stability. At one point they could have simply lived off Game Boy and Pokémon,and they probably still could. I'm just glad that they still feel compelled to innovate.



Not nearly as much as either Sony or Microsoft. Nintendo has nothing to fall back on (if their games fail, they fail. Nintendo is their games.)


Nintendo still makes enormous amounts of profit (for a company that only makes video games).... especially off of their handhelds... they have to or they wouldn't stay afloat.

If Nintendo sustained the sorts of losses Microsoft incurred during the original XBox's days (and with the 360) Nintendo would no longer exist. Microsoft can afford to take such a hit - they don't just make games, they have other things to fall back on. After seeing how much revenue the industry generates Gates was willing to shove his foot in the door and get his toes stubbed - anything to get Microsoft into the party. Nintendo isn't able to compete graphically anymore given what sort of hardware is in the 360 and what will be in the PS3, they can't afford to overextend themselves.

Microsoft and Sony are so busy competing with one another, hoping to gain exclusive control over their competitor's share of the market, and in doing so they have made super fucking expensive machines they have no choice but to sell to us at huge losses. Nintendo can't do this, they may be seen as the "innovators" this round but in reality they have no other choice.... they've been forced into a corner (Keep in mind that Nintendo has always been on the cutting edge of graphics. Also, historically, it didn't cost so much to remain cutting edge graphically. They can't afford it anymore.) And when Nintendo is forced into a corner it sometimes acts like a wild animal or a confused old person, it just does crazy things. They don't know karate, man, but they know crazy - and they will use it. And BAM! The new Wii remote. Luckily for them sometimes crazy desperation pays off.... but sometimes it doesn't.


Nintendo can make a system right now that is powerful enough to do the HD graphics. Nintendo, I think it was Iwata, said that their next console will have HD graphics. The reason that they didn't go with HD graphics with the Wii is because the majority of people still have SDTVs (standard definition). Think about this, in order to get the best gameplay experience out of the Xbox360, you need to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a HDTV. So that'll bring the cost of Xbox360 to, let's just say, $3,400 (assuming the tv was $3,000 and you got the $399 system and no games). Now with the Wii you can get the system and let's just say two games for $300-$350 (that's with Wii costing $199 or $249 respectively) You need to remember that Nintendo is, and always has, gone for the mainstream. They wanted and still want their console to be affordable. This generation they are trying to bring in non-gamers to the scene.

TheRedBaron mentions that Microsoft has to make Vista and the new Office and what not and Sony has to desing sound systems and electronics and such. The thing that you need to releaize is that the development groups creating Vista and Office are not the groups creating the games or making the hardware. The same goes for Sony. They are gonna have a department that deals with just the consoles. It would be pretty stupid of Microsoft to have the team that creates video games have to stopped what they are doing so that they can work on Vista. If they did that then Microsoft wouldn't come out with any new games, I'm talking about stuff like Midtown Madness 3 and such. The same goes with Sony, except I don't think that they really develop games, but I'm not positive.

Stinky also says that if Nintendo's game's fail then they fail. But you need to remember, and it is mentioned, that Nintendo is in both the Console and Handheld market. Right now they are dominating the handheld market. If Wii were to fail, they could most likely easily stay in the video game market through the handheld market. They might even be able to try again in the console market one more time if they were to fail, but I'm not to sure about that. I've tried to find financial statments pertaining to Nintendo, but I'm not sure if they are a publicly trade company.

One more thing I want to mention. For Super Mario Galaxy, Miyamoto said that if it misses launch then it will come out withing 6 months after launch: http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707709p1.html

Anyway, that's my thoughts on some of the stuff, and some fact. I'm sorry I couldn't link to the article where I read the thing about HD next generation, but I searched. I know it's harder to believe something that isn't linked but I can't remember what the article was about. On top of that it's now 2:41am so I really should be sleeping

-Shark2k



What you're saying about company divisions and departments was correct, but it wasn't really what I was getting at. I was speaking more about the financial focii of the respective companies. I probably should have worded my post a bit better, but what I meant is that Sony is using the PS3 to push the Blu-Ray format, and if neither do well, they could be screwed overall, whereas if Sony only had to handle the PS3, I'm sure they would have designed it differently yada yada yada. Nintendo is like a streamlined gaming company. Their only concern/focus is to ensure the success of their gaming machines.
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
What you're saying about company divisions and departments was correct, but it wasn't really what I was getting at. I was speaking more about the financial focii of the respective companies. I probably should have worded my post a bit better, but what I meant is that Sony is using the PS3 to push the Blu-Ray format, and if neither do well, they could be screwed overall, whereas if Sony only had to handle the PS3, I'm sure they would have designed it differently yada yada yada. Nintendo is like a streamlined gaming company. Their only concern/focus is to ensure the success of their gaming machines.


Ok, now that you cleared that up, I understand what you are saying. And Sony is taking a big risk using the blu-ray format in the PS3. So I would definitely agree with you that the could, possibly would, be screwed overall.

I'm looking at your post about how you want Sony out of the race and in it you mention about faulty hardware and stuff. I def agree with you. I have heard a lot of people say that they needed to replace their PS2 and stuff, and as we all know 360 had problems, but if you think back to Nintendo's consoles I know I've never had to replace one and I'm pretty sure that there were never any hardware malfunctions. Nintendo always makes a reliable system. I still have my SNES and it works fine. I got the new NES that came out that was redesigned cause we sold our original NES, but the redesigned one still works as does my Genesis.

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Nintendo's systems are certainly the most durable. And in my house hold, they NEED to be. Electronics and myself have a very violent relationship.

But as I understand it, Nintendo has said that since they don't have the capital of Microsoft or Sony, they aren't going to even try to throw massive resources into a 360 or PS3-like machine--super powerful graphics, HD display, ect. It's not finacially viable for a company whose ONLY product is their gaming hardware and software.

Sony has its other electronics and Microsoft has Windows and Billions of dollars to fall back on. If Nintendo, on the other hand, were to go all out and make a Super Console, and then watch it fail against the others, they'd have a huge financial failure. But innovating with the Wii gives them a unique product so it's an "and" choice instead of an "or" choice, makes it more affordable, and expands the total population of gamers altogether by attracting people who wouldn't normally play.

Does that make sense?

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I'd have to say that the Gamecube system was the most durable system of the last generation, but their controllers were a different story. I've gone through multiple GC controllers, yet I have N64 controllers that still work fine.

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What happens to your GC controllers? I've never had any problems with mine.

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While I give you that the GC controller isn't as durable as teh system itself..

I've broke just as many PS2 and X-Box controllers as I have GC...

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I'm confused. I've never broken a single controller before! My N64 sticks are getting a bit loose, but I don't see how that's avoidable/fixable.

The only controller I've ever had that's out of commission is one of my SNES controllers. My then puppy (now 9 year old dog) chewed on the cord, and it stopped working. I still have it, though, as I couldn't bear to part with an original accessory.

So what have you guys been doing to your controllers?

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I'm with you, Gaffer. My controllers are mint condition and have been for years.
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I've gone through three GC controllers. The control stick has worn a bit loose in two of them, and the B button barely works on the other. They're still useable, just not fully functional.

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Sega and Nintendo are pretty much the only companies who know how to make durable systems. My Megadrive is still kicking, although a few buttons on my controllers stopped working after a decade or so (and now I've got two new reconditioned Megadrive controllers from Japan at 500 Yen a piece); and all of my Saturn controllers still work like a charm. Even though the first few generations of XBox hardware (and indeed, controllers) were apalling, I'd have to say that so far my XBox (which I purchased early last year) looks to have a promising lifespan. And on the NES, I had a friend whose cartridge drive was a bit faulty around 1992, he had to blow on the cartridges and the drives to get them to work sometimes, but given how long the machine's been around, and how old it is, it's understandable...
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My NES controller dosen't work anymore. And some game cartdriges have oxidated for some reason - Super Mario and Excitebike are some of those.

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I, personally, have not had a controller break on me, however:
1. One of my N64 controllers had a problem at one point. I later found that the batteries in my rumble pack had leaked out. Every time I hit a spot for the rumble to go off, it locked up the controller. Link would walk in a straight line until I reset the system.
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2. One of my brother's GC controllers has a loose analog stick, from him playing it so much. To get any reaction at all, you have to push it all the way in any given direction (to put it into SSBM terms, you need to always attempt smash attacks).
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Well, I've never broken a controller from just over-use. I'm talking about throwing them... like when you get the boss down to 2% health and then he suddenly pulls out a SUPER MOVE and destroys you...

That sort of thing.

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I think I've thrown an N64 controller once. There was no visible damage, but a little plastic piece inside broke off and rattled around ever since (although I haven't noticed it in several years...).

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I had that happen too. Actually, now that you mention it, my N64 controllers have almost completely broken down. The Blue and Red ones especially. The red one is torn in two in the plastic coating on the cord, and the blue one's joystick is iffy.

Ironcially, the one that works best is the original one that came with the system.

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