Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:
Have Anakin actually die in front of Obi-Wan in ROTS after he burns. This solves a few issues for me:
1) Ben's dishonesty in ANH is a little more believeable. If Anakin literally dies, it's more believable for Ben to say that Vader "murdered him".
2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.
3) Many people may not be fans of the Hayden ghost at the end of the ROTJ DVD, but it makes a lot more sense if Anakin really dies in ROTS. The Hayden ghost is what got me thinking about all this in the first place. When I saw the ROTJ DVD, I really expected that Lucas would have Anakin die in ROTS.
As far as how to accomplish this, I've just started to think about it. The scene where Anakin burns in front of Obi-Wan would have to be tweaked so that it appears that Anakin is motionless before Obi-Wan walks away. Then Palpatine would come and say something to the effect of, "I will help you, my friend" (I don't know if the source for these lines exists).
We would cut most of the scene of Vader being constructed since Anakin is obviously alive. Only keep the tail end of the scene where the helmet lowers on Anakin's scarred face. Perhaps it's possible to get a static image of Anakin's scarred face as the mask lowers, so that he appears dead up until that point of the first breath in the mask. I don't think the scene with Vader rising on the operating platform has to be changed.
What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Vader from death and put him in a mechanical suit. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.
Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:
Have Anakin actually die in front of Obi-Wan in ROTS after he burns. This solves a few issues for me:
1) Ben's dishonesty in ANH is a little more believeable. If Anakin literally dies, it's more believable for Ben to say that Vader "murdered him".
2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.
3) Many people may not be fans of the Hayden ghost at the end of the ROTJ DVD, but it makes a lot more sense if Anakin really dies in ROTS. The Hayden ghost is what got me thinking about all this in the first place. When I saw the ROTJ DVD, I really expected that Lucas would have Anakin die in ROTS.
As far as how to accomplish this, I've just started to think about it. The scene where Anakin burns in front of Obi-Wan would have to be tweaked so that it appears that Anakin is motionless before Obi-Wan walks away. Then Palpatine would come and say something to the effect of, "I will help you, my friend" (I don't know if the source for these lines exists).
We would cut most of the scene of Vader being constructed since Anakin is obviously alive. Only keep the tail end of the scene where the helmet lowers on Anakin's scarred face. Perhaps it's possible to get a static image of Anakin's scarred face as the mask lowers, so that he appears dead up until that point of the first breath in the mask. I don't think the scene with Vader rising on the operating platform has to be changed.
What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Vader from death and put him in a mechanical suit. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.
YES!!! I really really really like this idea. I wish I could do all this editing wizardry and put that together right now...
I love this... it really carries through into the tortured soul theme I always thought was a big part of what made Vader who he was like frankenstein. It all fits and I think it's exactly what the old GL would have wanted...The sith feed on death and can only use unliving machines to achieve immortality. While the Jedi feed on life, the living force, and become one with it in death and never truly die because of that. Great idea.