Originally posted by: CO
The PT, Lucas had total control, writing, directing, etc. Are you telling me he was going to make 3 classic movies again? Every series usually stalls at the third movie, it is just inenviatable. And the PT made SW go from really great movies, to fans accepting mediocrity. For the first time you hear fans saying, "Well, no film is perfect," or, "Yeah, the AOTC dialogue is bad, but I am not going to let it ruin the movie, " or "Yeah, Jar Jar is annoying, but you just have to put up with him." The new fans excepted that the movies were not great, and what was on screen was good enough for them. Just notice how they defend Jake Lloyd or Padme losing the will to live, they will come up with anything to justify what Lucas did.
The PT, Lucas had total control, writing, directing, etc. Are you telling me he was going to make 3 classic movies again? Every series usually stalls at the third movie, it is just inenviatable. And the PT made SW go from really great movies, to fans accepting mediocrity. For the first time you hear fans saying, "Well, no film is perfect," or, "Yeah, the AOTC dialogue is bad, but I am not going to let it ruin the movie, " or "Yeah, Jar Jar is annoying, but you just have to put up with him." The new fans excepted that the movies were not great, and what was on screen was good enough for them. Just notice how they defend Jake Lloyd or Padme losing the will to live, they will come up with anything to justify what Lucas did.
Oh gawd, yes. Some people will say some truely outrageous things. Part of the problem with some of these things is that they answer questions no one asked. Such as, recently on another forum i got a little bit into the whole "Yoda trained Obi-Wan, so who the heck is this Qui-Gon Jin guy??" The response was that Yoda instructed Obi-Wan while Qui-Gon trained him. There's a world of difference!
Yeah, right. World.
Problem is, I don't think there's a single person in the whole world who after seeing ESB and hearing the ghost of Obi-Wan describe Yoda as "the Jedi master who instructed me" thought for even a second "Oh, so Yoda only instructed Obi Wan. I wonder who trained him." It is typical for bad movies to answer questions no one asked. In this review of The Swarm, the reviewr notes the film took time to explain Michael Caine's character's accent but didn't bother with any of the gaping holes in the plot. That and how hard would it have been to simply not make Obi-Wan Qui-Gon's apprentice? Some minor dialog tweaking and it would be done. Peasy easy.
But what really irks me is that the defenders try to take the moral high ground on the basis that they are trying to like something that hating something, regardless of the reasons, is bad. Or something.
I agree that RotJ is the weakest of the original trilogy. The revelation that Leia is Luke's sister was handled especially sloppy. But like you, I allow Jedi to slide a little because it is a follow-up to ESB and the end of the trilogy and it is the same characters I knew and came to love. Which was why the prequels really, really, really needed to be good as there would be very few characters we would recognize as they were not in the OT or were completely different by OT