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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
If you can make that close up of Padme's hands during her funeral work so that her hand moves, you'd set up that she actually faked her death. I considered this but it was too much damn work for my limited skillz.
Originally posted by: eros
That's a nifty idea, it would have to be ever so subtle and people would have to rewind to see if the're seeing things.


Her hand movement would definitely be a cool touch. It would give Vader's story a huge sense of tragedy and perhaps a tragic gravity similar to ROMEO AND JULIET (I recently watched Baz Luhrman's movie version, and he had this exact hand shot for Juliet!)

I think I'm with ADigital Man in the limited skills department, though. If I feel really ambitious, I'll try, but I've just started using Adobe After Effects.

Like DarthRichard said, this would be a really cool idea to submit to the SW Saga Edit thread by the StarKiller Ranch crew if you're interested. If not, I might recommend it.

ADigitalMan, what software were you considering using for the hand movement?
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Originally posted by: Davis

Now if only you could edit the film so that it doesn't star Natalie and Hayden......

Somebody's doing that in a fan edit, changing their voices.


That sounds really ambitious. Do you know how are they doing it?

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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
If you can make that close up of Padme's hands during her funeral work so that her hand moves, you'd set up that she actually faked her death. I considered this but it was too much damn work for my limited skillz.
Originally posted by: eros
That's a nifty idea, it would have to be ever so subtle and people would have to rewind to see if the're seeing things.


Her hand movement would definitely be a cool touch. It would give Vader's story a huge sense of tragedy and perhaps a tragic gravity similar to ROMEO AND JULIET (I recently watched Baz Luhrman's movie version, and he had this exact hand shot for Juliet!)

I think I'm with ADigital Man in the limited skills department, though. If I feel really ambitious, I'll try, but I've just started using Adobe After Effects.

Like DarthRichard said, this would be a really cool idea to submit to the SW Saga Edit thread by the StarKiller Ranch crew if you're interested. If not, I might recommend it.

ADigitalMan, what software were you considering using for the hand movement?


I never thought of that but ya it does give it that Romeo and Juliet feel to there love story. Hey I jsut finished reading that in my english class too lol.
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Now if only you could edit the film so that it doesn't star Natalie and Hayden......

Somebody's doing that in a fan edit, changing their voices.


Yes, apparently Ahmed Best is doing this.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I never thought of that but ya it does give it that Romeo and Juliet feel to there love story. Hey I jsut finished reading that in my english class too lol.


If you liked the play, you might like the more contemporary and quirky movie version from Baz Luhrman titled "William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet" which stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Claire Daines, and John Leguizamo.
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Originally posted by: Vess
Now if only you could edit the film so that it doesn't star Natalie and Hayden......

Somebody's doing that in a fan edit, changing their voices.


Yes, apparently Ahmed Best is doing this.


Ahhh... we can all rest easy. The saga is now complete. (added the wink in case anyone thought I was serious - 5:15 PM PDT)
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Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:

Have Anakin actually die in front of Obi-Wan in ROTS after he burns. This solves a few issues for me:

1) Ben's dishonesty in ANH is a little more believeable. If Anakin literally dies, it's more believable for Ben to say that Vader "murdered him".

2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.

3) Many people may not be fans of the Hayden ghost at the end of the ROTJ DVD, but it makes a lot more sense if Anakin really dies in ROTS. The Hayden ghost is what got me thinking about all this in the first place. When I saw the ROTJ DVD, I really expected that Lucas would have Anakin die in ROTS.

As far as how to accomplish this, I've just started to think about it. The scene where Anakin burns in front of Obi-Wan would have to be tweaked so that it appears that Anakin is motionless before Obi-Wan walks away. Then Palpatine would come and say something to the effect of, "I will help you, my friend" (I don't know if the source for these lines exists).

We would cut most of the scene of Vader being constructed since Anakin is obviously alive. Only keep the tail end of the scene where the helmet lowers on Anakin's scarred face. Perhaps it's possible to get a static image of Anakin's scarred face as the mask lowers, so that he appears dead up until that point of the first breath in the mask. I don't think the scene with Vader rising on the operating platform has to be changed.

What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Vader from death and put him in a mechanical suit. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:

I like! I LIKE! Though, the lying besmirches Obi-wan's character a bit, I grew to like it; it humanized him and heightened the expectation of what secret it was that was being hidden (the second part is what I especially liked).

That being said, the scope of changes which Anakin's death would require is presently beyond me and beyond the scope of what I hoped to do with my re-edit. I was simply hoping to carve out a better movie from the existing material, to make the movie as good as it could be with simple editing.

However, the idea of having Padme's hand move in her funeral procession that DarthRichard suggested just might tip the balance in favor of element augmentations as opposed to just simple scene modifications.

I've already modified the final duel scene in a major way which changes how Obi-wan leaves Anakin (he never even sees Anakin burn! Don't worry, though! Anakin still does burn.). Afraid I won't be posting that scene until my re-edit is complete.

I really like your ideas. They just sit better with me regarding explaining the Sith and the Dark Side of the Force more. The Force was so lacking in the prequels.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:

Have Anakin actually die in front of Obi-Wan in ROTS after he burns. This solves a few issues for me:

1) Ben's dishonesty in ANH is a little more believeable. If Anakin literally dies, it's more believable for Ben to say that Vader "murdered him".

2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.

3) Many people may not be fans of the Hayden ghost at the end of the ROTJ DVD, but it makes a lot more sense if Anakin really dies in ROTS. The Hayden ghost is what got me thinking about all this in the first place. When I saw the ROTJ DVD, I really expected that Lucas would have Anakin die in ROTS.

As far as how to accomplish this, I've just started to think about it. The scene where Anakin burns in front of Obi-Wan would have to be tweaked so that it appears that Anakin is motionless before Obi-Wan walks away. Then Palpatine would come and say something to the effect of, "I will help you, my friend" (I don't know if the source for these lines exists).

We would cut most of the scene of Vader being constructed since Anakin is obviously alive. Only keep the tail end of the scene where the helmet lowers on Anakin's scarred face. Perhaps it's possible to get a static image of Anakin's scarred face as the mask lowers, so that he appears dead up until that point of the first breath in the mask. I don't think the scene with Vader rising on the operating platform has to be changed.

What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Vader from death and put him in a mechanical suit. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.


YES!!! I really really really like this idea. I wish I could do all this editing wizardry and put that together right now... I love this... it really carries through into the tortured soul theme I always thought was a big part of what made Vader who he was like frankenstein. It all fits and I think it's exactly what the old GL would have wanted...

The sith feed on death and can only use unliving machines to achieve immortality. While the Jedi feed on life, the living force, and become one with it in death and never truly die because of that. Great idea.
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Originally posted by: Wesyeed
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Copied from the Starkiller ranch thread, my thoughts on having Vader die in ROTS:

I love this... it really carries through into the tortured soul theme I always thought was a big part of what made Vader who he was like frankenstein. It all fits and I think it's exactly what the old GL would have wanted...

The tortured souls theme! Exactly! You see that so much in ROTJ! Yeah, there really is a difference between "the old GL" and the new, but not necessarily improved, one.

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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I never thought of that but ya it does give it that Romeo and Juliet feel to there love story. Hey I jsut finished reading that in my english class too lol.


If you liked the play, you might like the more contemporary and quirky movie version from Baz Luhrman titled "William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet" which stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Claire Daines, and John Leguizamo.


Hahaha I've seen about half of that verison and it is so cool lol.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Hahaha I've seen about half of that verison and it is so cool lol.

Yeah, I just can't get over that fast-speed stuff he does with Tybalt and Juliet's mom! It's just... really cool.

Hey! What about doing some of that with Episode 3? Just kidding.
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darkhelmet,

Are you still working on this edit? It looked promising.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?