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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM — Page 7

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
We're just going by LFL's track record. Blame them, not us.


But that's LFL's track record at REMASTERING Star Wars to DVD for last years release. There is absolutely nothing suggested (and a lot to suggest otherwise) that they are going to tamper in anyway with this release. Just take a Film Master of what they did back in '93 (which was very good back then) and take a new digital transfer of it to turn into the new DVD's coming out in September. What could possibly be goofed up with that, I'd be surprised if LFL actually have much to do with any stage of the transfer, they'll send the Film Master to a lab to be digitised and that's it. A clean transfer, no remastering, no tinkering, no nothing. They won't have any opportunity to mess anything up. When the DVD's get released, then WE can do all the remastering we want.

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I did have one thought about it though. If they do screw this up (and I'm not for a moment saying they definitely will - I will offer up my trust until September) then it really will be the end, you know! It's not like one can start a new petition saying : "Well... ok, we've got the OOT now. But can we have it in better quality?". That'd probably get 12 signatures and not even 1/10th the publicity that the current petition got.

So all I can say is, I hope they get it right.
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"What could possibly be goofed up with that"

My thoughts exactly.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"What could possibly be goofed up with that"

My thoughts exactly.


so everyone try and be a little more optimistic then, come on! I'm really hopeful for this release in September and am already really excited.

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I, too, am hopeful and excited. And wary.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I, too, am hopeful and excited. And wary.


lol, oh I give up, bunch of bloody miserable bastards the lot of you

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This is kind of along the lines of what I was wondering.

I don't know much about this whole process, so bear with me in my ignorance/lack of better terminology.

Could it be that the material released in September is going to be what was originally extracted from the original old theatrical master film reels for the 1993 Definitive Edition Laser Disc's? My reasoning is this - they keep mentioning 1993 technology - maybe they are talking about the first digital encoding done back in 1993. That first encoding was then compressed to fit a LD's space parameters, I assume. Maybe they are going to use the 1993 encoding and transfer it to DVD, which by should by definition create less compression from the digital source made in 1993 from the masters, as well as allowing more lines, which would let each image be able to breathe more than it did in the constraints of the LD format.

It's fully possible for this release to be what was hinted at by the OT (unaltered) scenes in Building Empire. Those few scenes, in my opinion, looked great.

The fact that they mention the original crawl for SW makes me wonder if they are using a theatrical master reel, since this would include the original crawl. However, as many here have demonstrated, it's not that hard to make your own crawl.

As far as complaints about 5.0 sound, was that capability even available when these films were released, or would making them 5.0 technically be tampering with the original sound mixes to artificially retrofit the old movies with a newer technology? Sort of like colorizing a b&w white movie? I don't know - just curious if anyone else knows.

Is there a phone number for LFL? We should just call and ask. I know that sounds simple, and maybe they don't publish a phone number just because of people like us (understandably, maybe).

Anyway, thanks for the work of everyone here. You all did awesome jobs.

It is pretty lame that they took the Han Shoots First slogan, though - that's kind of like a cigarette company, in an attempt to be hip, making shirts for people that say, "Smoking Kills, Dude. Word. It's really <i>The Truth</i>."

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It looks to me from reading the various postings around the net that what we're going to see is in fact the video masters that the definitive editions were struck from. There's no reason at all that LFL would spend the money and manpower to restore them any further, as Lucas obviously feels that they are mere curiosities which some fans would like to have legally. What this DOES seem to mean, is that something like OCPMovie's classic editions (just, oh, I don't know, for example ) would benefit from better source material for the inserts (masters straight to MPEG2, not having been converted to LD format, recaptured, and then encoded). I have a feeling this site and a number of the projects are still going to be valid come September after all.


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"As far as complaints about 5.0 sound, was that capability even available when these films were released, or would making them 5.0 technically be tampering with the original sound mixes to artificially retrofit the old movies with a newer technology? Sort of like colorizing a b&w white movie? I don't know - just curious if anyone else knows."

There was a 6-track master for the 70mm version.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I'm ecstatic that we are getting an official OOT set of dvd's! Of course extras would be nice, but I don't care if it's only the movie and a chapter menu... I'll buy it!! If the sound is 2.0, that's fine by me. I won't complain about it one bit. I'm sure the quality on these discs will be great. I don't see them releasing a set of discs that look no better than a vhs or ld set (there would be so much backlash on them for that).
The one thing that I do hope for is that it is Anamorphic! If not, I'll still buy them. --RickWJ324
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andy_k_250, you are a bit off. Laserdiscs contain analog video information just like vhs tapes. The data is stored optically but NOT digitally. Therefore there is no existing 1993 digital capture that can be used for the DVDs. It also means a new dvd struck from the old source will still contain much more data/resolution than the LD does (see my extremely nerdy dissertation on the X0 thread).

On the other hand LFL did do some early computer filtering techniques to clean up the picture. This is possibly part of the print that the '93 discs were taken from. It means any crap artifacts from it will still be present, and dirt/scratches that weren't removed will still be there too. I think THAT is what they mean by 1993 technology.

My real worry is that the film has to have degraded somewhat in the last 13 years. I can't imagine anyone went out of their way to preserve it. Who would figure that the original negatives would "no longer exist"?

I don't think Lucas has put out anything non-anamorphic in years (if at all) on dvd. I wouldn't worry too much there. Letterboxing was merely a function of early DVD transfer laziness. I don't really think we'd see a non-THX transfer, let alone letterboxed.

My bet says we are going to see an "Official (non)Fan Laserdisc Preservation Project" using film source to DVD instead of film source to laserdisc captured to PC to DVD. This also explains 2.0 audio. I'll bet on the same audio mix as the LDs too. The only question is my mind is the original crawl, if present has to be some other unknown source.

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The material in the original edits that isn't in the special editions amounts to just a few minutes of effects shots. Even if the quality isn't anything amazing, it's certainly good enough for any fan editor to restore the film with in great quality.

And that's my worst case scenario.


This is great. This is Disneyland. This is great news. As other have said, I'm kind of sort of glad they're not doing a lot of remastering, as they'd just go overboard again. The 2004 DVDs take a lot of shit here which is undeserved, though - the clarity remains phenomenal.


You'll get nothing but happiness from me for now.


>> It's fully possible for this release to be what was hinted at by the OT (unaltered) scenes in Building Empire. Those few scenes, in my opinion, looked great.

I think you mean Empire of Dreams. Both equally good docs though.

>> The fact that they mention the original crawl for SW makes me wonder if they are using a theatrical master reel, since this would include the original crawl. However, as many here have demonstrated, it's not that hard to make your own crawl.

The original crawl was transferred for Empire of Dreams.

>> As far as complaints about 5.0 sound, was that capability even available when these films were released

Yes. That would be the 6-track 70mm mix. We're getting the 2-track 35mm mix. Lazy, but same as the lazier ... discs.


>> It is pretty lame that they took the Han Shoots First slogan, though - that's kind of like a cigarette company, in an attempt to be hip, making shirts for people that say, "Smoking Kills, Dude. Word. It's really <i>The Truth</i>."


Ha! Well put.

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I'm confused, if he's announced these and we won, how come the main page hasn't changed, why is the petition still there, why isn't it being blasted on the main page that we won the battle? Also has anyone considered editing a small clip, taking the celebration from the end of rotj (the original celebration ofcourse) and replacing the ghosts with DVD cases sporting the fact that they are the oot or something interesting to that affect?
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See? I told you I wasn't that technical. Thanks for clearing things up, everyone.

Yep, I did mean Empire Of Dreams. Pretty funny when you confuse fan-docs for officials ones. I think it says something about the strength of this movement.
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"I'm out of it for a little while, everybody gets delusions of grandeur."

Jesus I leave the country for two weeks and I come back to find that Lucas is putting the OT on DVD. Fuck man! This is crazy. If I knew that was all it took I would have left the country years ago.

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Originally posted by: Mackey256
"I'm out of it for a little while, everybody gets delusions of grandeur."

Jesus I leave the country for two weeks and I come back to find that Lucas is putting the OT on DVD. Fuck man! This is crazy. If I knew that was all it took I would have left the country years ago.



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Oh, what news!

I am very happy, that the real original Original Trilogy will be released.

For me Star Wars always wasn't only the story. It was also the created models built together and filmed them in stop motion or the aliens and the art they were made. Soon I can watch these "handmade" (no modern computer-animatic-trash etc.). Only these "handmade" films are the real Star Wars films to me.

I respect the argument of Mr. Lucas, that he wanted to make his trilogy the way he imagined how they should be back in 1997.
But now Mr. Lucas respects the wish of the real old-school-fans, to hold the films in their hands as they were back in 1977, 1980 and 1983.

Thank you.






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I got this from www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk




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MillenniumFalcon.com's DarthFirst weighs in with some OUT (Original Unaltered Trilogy) DVD info:


"They're not using the 93 master - there is restoration happening to bring the original theatrical versions up to a level of quality that is expected from Lucasfilm releases."

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what do you think? Are these guys reliable in their info?


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Originally posted by: Oldschooljedi
Oh, what news!

For me Star Wars always wasn't only the story. It was also the created models built together and filmed them in stop motion or the aliens and the art they were made. Soon I can watch these "handmade" (no modern computer-animatic-trash etc.). Only these "handmade" films are the real Star Wars films to me.



Same sentiment here. It's probably one of the reason's I love Star Wars so much. One of the last great non-CGI blockbusters. There's been a lot of good sci-fi films since, but they don't inspire the same awe when you look at the computer technology we have around now. You only have to look at IMPS to see what a few people can do with a few computers.

One question I haven't seen answered. Is it going to be a worldwide release in September, or US only?
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Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment Germany confirmed on the 4th of may, that these DVD's will be offered even in Germany.

So why shouldn't the DVD's be avaiable in other countries???



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The press release says International release will be within a few days of the US release.
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Originally posted by: Cassius76
I got this from www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk


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MillenniumFalcon.com's DarthFirst weighs in with some OUT (Original Unaltered Trilogy) DVD info:


"They're not using the 93 master - there is restoration happening to bring the original theatrical versions up to a level of quality that is expected from Lucasfilm releases."

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"level of quality that is expected from Lucasfilm releases"

Oh, well that's comforting.

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Please no color corrections...oh please oh please!