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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM — Page 5

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more legal, if that makes any sense.
Otherwise, why would Rikter feel he had to remove all his preservation project torrent files?
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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Like many people that have visited this site I would like to give a big thankyou to all those people that have put time and effort into creating their Star Wars Preservations/Fan-Edits.

Hopefully these creations will not be lost forever and we will still see them crop up in alt.binaries.starwars for some time to come. I've got loads of space in my DVD collection to fill

Anyway thanks again to you all

P.S. Why the sudden rush to remove all the torrents from MySpleen? Surely, these can stay up till the official dvds are released?

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Originally posted by: zaz_fan
P.S. Why the sudden rush to remove all the torrents from MySpleen? Surely, these can stay up till the official dvds are released?


Have they been? Bugger

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
2) He makes us illlegal for sharing our preservation progects.


Has it ever been legal?

David


Thank you for saying this. As much as people have always said it's a gray area, I'd bet you'd have a hard time convincing a judge that converting your LD to DVD and then sharing it with thousands of people is anything but illegal. I'm not saying I don't look forward to each of your edits as they're completed, because I do. But let's not kid ourselves here. Whether you give it away or not, it's still illegal. Doing it for yourself is one thing. Sharing it with all of us is quite another. Just because Lucas looks the other way right now, doesn't make it legal.

And I highly doubt Lucas would send a C&D to OT.com even if this was all about prosecuting fan projects (he doesn't need a DVD release to do this though). He'd more likely send one to myspleen and the other torrent sites and tell them it needs to be taken down.
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"even if this was all about prosecuting fan projects (he doesn't need a DVD release to do this though)."

It should be enough to suck the wind out of many a preservationist's sails. Keep in mind that the '04 set, despite ridiculous color, audio and content changes, still sold tremendously well. Hell, the O-OT is being sold as an "added bonus". You could look at it as Lucas making sure his loudest detractors are forced to buy his bastardized editions in addition to their favorite version.

I knew he'd never have the balls to sell them seperately.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Darth Editous
2) He makes us illlegal for sharing our preservation progects.


Has it ever been legal?

David


Thank you for saying this. As much as people have always said it's a gray area, I'd bet you'd have a hard time convincing a judge that converting your LD to DVD and then sharing it with thousands of people is anything but illegal. I'm not saying I don't look forward to each of your edits as they're completed, because I do. But let's not kid ourselves here. Whether you give it away or not, it's still illegal. Doing it for yourself is one thing. Sharing it with all of us is quite another. Just because Lucas looks the other way right now, doesn't make it legal.

And I highly doubt Lucas would send a C&D to OT.com even if this was all about prosecuting fan projects (he doesn't need a DVD release to do this though). He'd more likely send one to myspleen and the other torrent sites and tell them it needs to be taken down.


Wait a minute: If I have the original LD, I can have as many copies or transfers as I like in my home, provided that I do not sell them or progect them in public places. Backing-up is not illegal. Am I wrong on this one? I think the exact same thing applies to compuer game's no-cd copy protection cracks. As long as you have the original disc, you can copy it and use it with the appropriate crack to use your backup to play it.
I can number a few sites that on that ground continue to provide download links to such cracks legaly. Am I mistaken here?

Sorry for getting out of topic, but there are so many things on my mind right now, I have to share them!
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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I think in most countries you can have ONE backup copy (not as many as you want).

EDIT: one backup copy for every dvd/ld/cd etc. I mean.
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There are things about all versions (the originals, SE, SSE) that I love so I really don't mind what it looks like, just to own an official copy is fine with me. That's not to say that all the edits I've downloaded or received in the mail will now be cast out.

To those of you complaining about this new release (I'm not sure that you're serious or not...) Why are you complaining? This is what this site is for (or was...), is it not? That's why you were here, because you all wanted the original trilogy on DVD and in the meantime some of you created your own. You should have known that it was gonna happen eventually. "Never say never" is how the saying goes, I think.

I will be buying the new set. I will still continue to track down VHS tapes that I don't yet own. Hopefully now the laserdisc sets will drop in price on eBay and then I can start buying them. Most importantly, I will still try to acquire all the fan edits (that you wonderful people have created) that I don't yet own.

I've always been a fan of Star Wars (I used to watch the trilogy every Christmas when it aired on TV), but I wasn't a huge fan (even though I would buy every release on VHS as it came out - stupidly I would sell them on later). Then I found this site whilst looking for the OT on DVD to tide me over until it got an official release and the TR47v.1 was the first set I downloaded. Then I read some more of this site and found the Dr. Gonzo set was different, so I thought "what the hell..." and downloaded that too. Then it snowballed and I'm still trying to complete my fan edits sets. This site alone increased my interest tenfold, and for that I am extremely grateful to everyone here. You've turned me from a casual fan into someone who now tries to get everything I can get my hands on.

Don't be pissed that the OT is now on DVD, that's why you're here. That's why we're all here. Be proud that there are others that have shared your dreams and goals.

And I'm spent.
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"Don't be pissed that the OT is now on DVD"

Respectfully, it's not here yet, and the devil is in the details. Lucas didn't exactly make it obvious beforehand that Hayden replaced Shaw in the '04 release, and nobody believed the leaked pics of that scene were true. It's not that I'm not happy about this, I'm just concerned what the final product will look like. My X0 files may still be necessary.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Metallaxis



Wait a minute: If I have the original LD, I can have as many copies or transfers as I like in my home, provided that I do not sell them or progect them in public places. Backing-up is not illegal. Am I wrong on this one? I think the exact same thing applies to compuer game's no-cd copy protection cracks. As long as you have the original disc, you can copy it and use it with the appropriate crack to use your backup to play it.
I can number a few sites that on that ground continue to provide download links to such cracks legaly. Am I mistaken here?

Sorry for getting out of topic, but there are so many things on my mind right now, I have to share them!


That's exactly correct. While I don't know if arnie's assertion that you're only allowed to have one copy is true, I know that you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use. That's exactly what I was referring to. Anyone that makes a copy or transfer of their own LD is perfectly legal. Once you go beyond that, into giving copies to other people (unless they also happen to already have the same source material), then you're breaking the law.

While all of us consider these fan preservations a Good Thing, the fact is that it's still illegal. How many people really have each version of the Star Wars LDs anyway? I have the DE set, but I don't own any of the Faces editions or anything else. In fact, I only bought the DE set because it had the big book in it and I wanted Star Wars in a format that would last a good long time. Well, until DVD ended up coming out anyway.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Don't be pissed that the OT is now on DVD"

Respectfully, it's not here yet, and the devil is in the details. Lucas didn't exactly make it obvious beforehand that Hayden replaced Shaw in the '04 release, and nobody believed the leaked pics of that scene were true. It's not that I'm not happy about this, I'm just concerned what the final product will look like. My X0 files may still be necessary.


Totally agree with this MBJ. We may still need the XO project to get a definitive restoration.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Respectfully, it's not here yet, and the devil is in the details.
But there's a bunch of posts already complaining about it, like I said I'm not sure they're serious.
Lucas didn't exactly make it obvious beforehand that Hayden replaced Shaw in the '04 release, and nobody believed the leaked pics of that scene were true.

I kinda like that, I was quite happy to see that made it into the release. Buit like I said in my previous post, I like the different things for different reasons.
I'm just concerned what the final product will look like. My X0 files may still be necessary.

And if you should have a need to finish that transfer (I kinda hope you do anyway), then I'll be on it like flies on shit.

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"It should be enough to suck the wind out of many a preservationist's sails."
this is all the excuse i need to shelf the Japanese Special Collection "Un-Subbed" edition,i have been working on for friggin weeks,i was doing 3 versions of each film,1 just cropped no filtering,1 cropped and filtered but Letterbox,and 1 cropped and filtered and made anamorphic Widescreen,got damn i am glad to see this come out,George will, I am sure do a FANTASTIC job on these,he has MUCH better equipment than ANY of us here.
its been fun,but i am glad they are coming out,fuck all this damn capturing and filtering LOL time for a much needed break,besides summer is coming,time for wieghtlifting,swimming and Harley riding.
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OK OK OK.... (calms himself down)

I'm not going to go into an emotional rollercoaster, but I will say this.
I am skeptical about this, because I can almost sense that although this is what we wanted, it will not be how we wanted it.

Furthermore, I do not like that comment about "state-of-the-art of 1993". If this comment has any truth to it, this is stating clearly they are not going back to any original film stock, and that they will return to some archived master they made in 93 for the then LD and VHS releases. If this is the case that is lazy and poor.

And I say it for this reason:
Lucasfilm & Fox should be treating this like any other lot of popular 70s and 80s movies clean-DVD release (in the sense some effort goes into presenting it well). Get the best original material you can for both video and audio, and clean it up. Just clean, do not alter. Touching up frame-by-frame a really bad dust scratch or mark is cleaning up. Changing colour tones so a faded black becomes a true black, and so that someone's face doesn't look orange is cleaning. This is what is done on all good restorations.

But based on what info we have so far, they're not even going to do that. I mean on one hand they advertise this, like a slap in the face for anyone who has used the term 'Han Shoots First', by putting it on a T-Shirt, but then saying that they're releasing the OOT as a 'bonus feature' of single release 2004-Edittion discs is a joke. No doubt a smug move by Lucasfilm brass.


Lastly, if anyone wants to know what I'm trying to mean when i say "clean it up", just get the first releases of the "Dollars Trilogy" that MGM released on DVD, then get the Special Editions that were released as a SONY/MGM release not all that long ago. Awesome clean-up job.
And for those pedantic people, I know that the newer "Good, Bad, & the Ugly" release contains never before seen in the USA footage, BUT it is included because it is as close to the original premiere and original CUT that Sergio Leone had made, and that was only seen in Italy, before the UnitedArtists butchered it for US audiences i.e the Original version of that film finally on DVD.

OK....I've ranted enough.


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... what happened to the Pre-ANH comment?

That was the one statement that gave me true hope for this release ... now I'm quite concerned ...
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I've mentioned it in another thread, those comments were more than likely deleted because in a Marketing PR release, they sounded more snarky than you'd want. Plus it ends up sort of casting other LFL products (The 2004 editions) in a negative light.

Purely aesthetic reasons, I'd think, especially since they kept the mention of "The versions you saw in 1977" etc. etc.
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" ... what happened to the Pre-ANH comment?"

Don't feel bad, Ash. I saw it somewhere too. I'll keep looking.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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No, I remember it being there - they've removed it, that's what worries me ...
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
No, I remember it being there - they've removed it, that's what worries me ...


then our worse worries have come true....
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAshNo, I remember it being there - they've removed it, that's what worries me ... Hmmm, the news article that is now at starwars.com does indeed remove this reference:
Originally posted at: this website“See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV — A New Hope; see the pioneering, if dated, motion-control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to 'Lapti Nek' or the Ewok celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and, yes, see Han Solo shoot first,” according to Lucasfilm.
where have i been all this time ?
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Originally posted by: Metallaxis
more legal, if that makes any sense.
Otherwise, why would Rikter feel he had to remove all his preservation project torrent files?


If they make an announcement that's enough for me, my point being that if they will soon be retail and everyone will be able to buy the OT on an official licensed DVD and that makes the “preservation” efforts more of a real “bootleg” - meaning that we are trying to circumvent and under mind the film industry by offering either for free or for profit versions of a DVD you can walk into a store and buy. I’m sure that some of you noticed that I’ve deleted about 15 DVD’s from my “Angrysvn” collection as the titles I deleted have become available as retails DVD’s.

The reason I’ve not removed the ISOMIX or the EDITDROID files is that they offer an isolated score neither of the current releases offer that (yet) so I look at that not only as a preservation effort but also as a “fan edit” of sorts.

Yes, it’s still a grey area but so are ADM’s Harry Potters and the day that they offer Proper extended versions I will also delete them from the torrents.


“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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“See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV — A New Hope; see the pioneering, if dated, motion-control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to 'Lapti Nek' or the Ewok celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and, yes, see Han Solo shoot first,” according to Lucasfilm.


Dammit...I KNEW I saw that there. See folks...revisionism already.

Yeah, these X0 files are staying put.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
“See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV — A New Hope; see the pioneering, if dated, motion-control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to 'Lapti Nek' or the Ewok celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and, yes, see Han Solo shoot first,” according to Lucasfilm.


Dammit...I KNEW I saw that there. See folks...revisionism already.

Yeah, these X0 files are staying put.



Further to my previous rant, September is still FAR AWAY! Until we get copies of what Lucas is feeding us, and we can confirm he has given us what we have wanted, let's go on as per usual doing what we do.

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MeBeJedi, here's hoping you can kick some serious ass this summer and finish ANH and show Lucas what the OOT is supposed to be like....

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.